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« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2009 10:25:18 PM »

You can use any hand made soap to re-batch or any real soap. Some websites or soapmakers will sell "re-batch" in shreds. I can't think of any commercial brands off the top of my head, but if it says "soap" on it, then it should be soap! One hint is to look at the ingredient list, if it lists things like sodium cocoate, sodium palmate, etc then it has saponified oils of coconut and palm or whatever and is real soap. If however, it contains ingredients like sodium laurel sulfate then it is probably detergent based. You might want to check out a whole foods or nature's or trader joe's, they usually have some good bath/body products!
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« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2009 07:13:20 PM »

So is it not possible to melt down and reform a 'beauty' bar like Dove?

Would it separate when melted and not congeal again?   I guess I might just have to give it a try...I was thinking of using an unscented bar, adding my own fragrance oils and reforming the bars.

I'm not sure what it is but anytime I use a hand made bar of soap (from Lush, or from etsy or whatnot), or Ivory soap my skin feels "squeaky" clean after rinsing and Sooooooo itchy after.  But I can use a beauty bar like Dove no problem....even my boyfriends Irish spring (woo!) with no problem....not sure what's up with that...
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« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2009 10:54:03 PM »

Hmm, I'm kinda the exact opposite! Have you ever tried a goat's milk bar? They tend to be a little more moisturizing and less squeak-inducing! You might want to check out what their superfat/lye discount percentage is...the higher the percentage, the more free oils there are in the soap. I used to do 5% but found it a bit squeaky and bumped up to 7%.

Honestly, I'm not even sure what would happen if you melt down a beauty bar! If you try it, please report back! Even for re-batching cp soap though, you don't get a nice smooth liquidy base like mp, at best you get a thick gloppiness.
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« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2009 12:26:06 AM »

Ha ha

I only tired one goats milk soap but it was just the same (squeaky), although, it was some random wal-mart bar so who knows...

I melted and reformed 6 bars of Irish Spring once into a HUGE bar (in a loaf pan) for my boyfriend once...(he still has it...It shrank a ton!)...although, it looks like its actual "soap" like ivory...
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« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2009 04:37:18 PM »

Irish Spring IS indeed soap, which is why it works. I was thinking about trying to rebatch some of that myself, but the scent of it is SO strong that really, I'm not sure what I'd put with it. Haha. I might just mix it with an unscented bar of soap, to be honest - it's overwhelming to me, but my brother loves it.
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« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2009 01:12:25 AM »

Yeah, that stuff is man soap...that's what it is!
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« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2009 01:27:07 AM »

And I think I have just found the soap to use!   Jergens soap is sodium tallowate!   Woo hoo!


OH!!!  Online it says Dove is Sodium Tallowate tooo!!!!!   Were set!
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« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2009 03:34:11 PM »

I love it, there are so many commercial products that use animal fats, and people don't say boo (I'm assuming because they don't know what it is), but they have a cow when someone makes soaps that they notice use animal fat. (oh dear goodness, cow pun completley unintentional)
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« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2009 06:35:46 PM »

Okay ... I am going to TRY to keep this as stream-lined as possible! Also, keep in mind this is from my own personal research, I'm not the end-all authority on the matter.

As far as I know, of the major commercial brands (at Walmart, Target, Kroger, etc.) Ivory is the only true "soap" on the market. Irish Spring may be soap, but I've never heard that. Every other brand is a detergent. Questions? I have some answers (certainly not all).

Even detergent bars list ingredients such as sodium tallowate (that's beef fat, btw), & sodium what-have-you-ate because often times they start with a soap base and then add detergents in. The reason for this is that most detergents are more cost effective than lye.

I can tell you right now with certainty that Dove is not soap because it includes sodium dodecylbenzene sulfonate which is a detergent. By FDA standards, soap may not include any detergents.

I'd say 90% of the time the way to tell if you have soap or detergent is in the labeling; if it says "soap," it's soap. If it says "beauty bar," "cleansing bar," "bar," etc, it is not soap. However, my understanding is that depending on the % of soap base in a detergent, they can choose to label it as soap if they want.

My advice is always this: read your ingredient list. If you start seeing ingredients with one (or something multiple) numerical prefixes (tri-, tetra-, etc.) they are most likely either heavy-duty detergents or preservatives. Neither of which you want on your body!

A really good soap is available at Whole Foods and other health stores called Dr. Bronner's. I *cough* copy a lot of their formulations because I like 'em so much. Not identical but close enough!

Having said all that, I would have to imagine that maybe Dove would work as rebatching because I've used detergent bars in the past to make homemade laundry detergent (someone once gave us a Costco package of Lever 2000. Seriously?! Though I do want to get my hands on that Fels-Naptha stuff...), though that is making a gel-like substance so I'm not sure about making a solid bar.

My guiding star is always: experiment with one bar. Worst case you lose a bar of detergent, best case you find something cool!
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« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2009 12:41:35 AM »

I shredded an Olay bar tonight just for fun.  Added some ground oatmeal and some olive oil.  I poured it into a cling-wrap lined soap box to harden.  I'll pop it out in a few days and un-wrap it so it can dry for a few weeks.  We'll see what happens!

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