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« on: June 22, 2007 06:44:18 PM »

Ok, so I keep looking over te Black Alchemy website, looking at the descriptions of their scents and going "oh! thats so cool! I bet that smells great! But I wish it had more ______ and didnt have ________".

I actualy did order one from them, and it was good, but too musky for me.

Which got me thinking- it could be realy fun to make my own scents. I've got a good nose, and lots of ideas, and a FI that might be interested (not to mention 4 bridesmaids that will need to be spoiled).

But, i dont have much space, and I dont want to spend a lot of money. Is there any way to dabble in this? I realy dont know whats involved.... I especialy like foodish smells...fruity ones. I'd love to get exotic about it, but i wouldnt know if thats feasable.

So, folks, where would a newbie begin? Is this even possible?

PS- yes I did search before posting, but i got 25 pages back, so I may have missed what I'm looking for. If so, I appologize.
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« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2007 05:40:36 AM »

Fragrances (as in parfumes) is something I dabble in for myself. It's not hard, but absolutely not cheap (sadly...which is why I dabble and which is why parfum is so expensive!). Some oils are frighteningly expensive....others are quite reasonable.

Anyway, here is a website that sells outstanding essential oils, absolutes, CO2 extracts, etc. Dr. P (the owner) is  a specialist in both aromatherapy and is a perfumist (I think thats the correct term). He is very helpful.

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« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2007 10:16:29 PM »

I think that one easy, non-expensive way to begin to dabble would to get some perfumer's base and a variety of 1 oz fragrance oils and some small jars to mix everything in...and some pipettes. Fragrance oils are synthetic, and already blended, but if you got some single note type ones you could blend more easily than if you got something more "mixed." I don't know if that makes sense? it would be easier to mix, say blackberry and raspberry with a little vanilla than to mix a couple of complex fragrances like summer dream (grapefruit and honeysuckler) with dragon's blood (amber, patchouli, etc). This would also be great compared to going with the essential oil route since they are more spendy and you mentioned that you like food and fruity scents.

Tony's has great oils and a sampler set of 8 1oz fragrances (your choice), http://tonysfragranceoils.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_2&products_id=8

WSP has lots of stuff, including bottles and perfumer's base, as well as fo's.  Be sure to check out their Bath and BOdy works Tutti Dolce dupes if you like the food stuff! I can't find if they do a sampler set type thing. http://www.wholesalesuppliesplus.com/StoreCategory.aspx?CategoryID=785&CategoryName=Perfume+Base+(3)

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« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2007 07:32:54 AM »

I don't know if you live in Canada, but http://www.goatmilkskincare.com/fragranceoilsmain.html has great prices on fragrances. (It tends to be expensive up here...) or you can try http://www.brambleberry.com in Bellingham. They have good prices also.

Solid perfumes are a great way to make a little scent go a long way. You make it like you would a lip balm and can even use those little pots for it.

Here's a craftster link: https://www.craftster.org/forum/index.php?topic=2837.0

For a smaller amount try:
2 parts beeswax
2 parts shea, cocoa, avocado or other butter
4 parts liquid oil (any light oil that won't impart a scent, like fractionated coconut oil, sweet almond oil, apricot kernal oil, sunflower or safflower oil)
A small lip balm container holds between 5 ml and 10 ml of product, so if you made up 2 tablespoons (10ml) of this mixture, then added 20% fragrance (2 ml), you'd have quite a strong perfume. I made a small container last year and I'm just running out now. And because it doesn't contain water, you don't need to preserve it. If you want more scent, melt it down (not too much so you don't lose the scent), and add a bit more. This is an easy way to experiment with perfume that will last a long time. And they are easily portable.

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« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2007 08:25:16 AM »

Hm...well, it looks like I can buy small amounts of oils for a price i can tollerate (guys, go look at that brambleberry site if you want small portions. greta prices!).

So, can anyone reccomend a book or tute for this? I hv no idea what a CO2 extract i for, for example. I want to mae liquids, becuase them i get to collect tiny bottles:)
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2007 06:20:16 PM »

Here ya go...this is a super easy way to start:

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« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2007 12:13:28 PM »

thanks for the link, i was looking for sthg like that for ages! Smiley
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2007 01:30:44 PM »

hehe, great use for vodka. Have you tried this, tracerace? It certainly does look simple. And I'd get to have pretty liquid filled colored bottles around the apartment. and make it look like their there for a reason. I'm surprised it dosnt wind up makeing you smell like youve had a long night on the town, tho. Does it hold up well over time?

I am also still looking for a good sort of reference-guide, be it a book or a webpage. That page was helpful enough to talk about base notes and whatnot, but trouble is, i dont like any of the base-note smells they listed! Does anyone know where I could find a catgorized list, like that?

Also, can i mix synthetic and natural oils?
« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2007 12:16:49 PM »

Yep, I've done it and the vodka, surprisingly doesn't come through Wink.   Yes, you can mix FO's and EO's without problem. Some FO's are part EO to begin with!

If you go to www.fromnaturewithlove.com, look at their essential oils and they give a wonderful description of the oils (what they are good for and what they blend with). Or do a google on "blending fragrances" or something like that...surely there is something out there.

I stole this for you (from Howtodothings.com):

The price of perfume these days is pretty steep.  For a bottle of a popular perfume by Ralph Lauren or Chanel, you can expect to pay anywhere from $50-$100. This price is pretty high for a scent that is not even unique! For a whole lot less money and a few ingredients, you can make your own customized perfume and monitor what goes into it as well.

The basic formula for perfume is 15% to 30% essential oil, 70% to 80% of pure grain alcohol, such as vodka, and 5% of distilled or bottled spring water. Essential oil can be replaced with fragrance oil for a cheaper quality and price perfume. Essential oil can easily be found in a craft store or health food store. Store your perfume in a small glass or plastic container. You can buy a container with a sprayer at almost any local craft store. You might also be able to find vintage perfume bottles at thrift stores or flea markets.

You will have to play around with the oils to create the perfect scent. To start, I suggest mixing cup of straight vodka with 5 drops of an essential fragrance or oil of your choice. Depending on how strong you want the perfume, you can let the mixture stand for as little as 48 hours all the way to a month. The longer it stands, the stronger it will be. After your perfume has sat for your preferred time, add 2 tablespoons of the diluted water. If the perfume is too strong for you, you can add more water to get your desired scent strength. To make your scent last longer, add a tablespoon of glycerin to your perfume mixture. Glycerin is a neutral, colorless, thick liquid. It can be found anywhere soap making supplies are found. When added to water and alcohol, glycerin remains liquid and helps the other ingredients dissolve faster and better.
When you are ready to start combining fragrance/essential oils for a scent that is completely unique, understand that there are three different notes in scented oil. The first is base notes, which will stay longest on your skin. Base notes include oils such as vanilla, cinnamon, and sandalwood. The second of the notes are middle notes, which add to the scent for a while, but not as long as the base notes. These oils include lemongrass, geranium, neroli, and ylang-ylang. The last of the notes are the top notes which do what they say, they top off the scent. The top notes do not last as long as the other two notes, but add to the scent significantly. The top notes include oils such as rose, lavender, jasmine, bergamot, and orchard. When making a perfume of more than one scent, add the base note oil first. Follow the base note with the middle note oil, and finish with the top note oil.
Certain scents can alter your mood. Jasmine and lavender can calm the anxious and aide in sleeping, orange and ylang ylang can ease anger, and sandalwood and grapefruit can fight fear. Need a boost of confidence? Try cypress or rosemary. Frankincense, rose, and bergamot can help relieve depression and grief. To increase memory powers, try black pepper and peppermint. You may want to keep this in mind when you are creating your concoction.
There are many recipes for perfume online. While playing with scents can be fun, it can also be frustrating if you cannot get the desired scent you want. The website, PioneerThinking, contains some great recipes for beginners. The names are even better than what the designers name their perfumes. Now that you know the basics of perfume making, feel free to give them as birthday or Christmas gifts. Who wouldn't love their own signature perfume, especially if it is named after them? Spritz away!

Also - as someone else mentioned solid perfume is really easy and fun to make too (just use a wax and fractionated coconut oil or some type of oil that is not too greasy - with a good shelf life) and add the scent to it and put in a pot. Easy peasy. The fragrance as a perfume though isn't as intense as when made with denatured alcohol. I'm not exactly sure why (as I said I just dabble and am trying to learn more). I think the alcohol fixes the scent...

« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2007 08:34:27 AM »

OMG, This tony's sampler set rocks my world. THANKS

Wish I'd known of that before I went crazy on essential oils at Whole Foods a few weeks ago.  Shocked

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