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21  BATH AND BEAUTY / Bath and Beauty: Discussion and Questions / Re: A question about dodgy essential oil on: March 23, 2009 12:53:55 PM
So my new patchouli oil arrived on Friday.....and it smells exactly the same as the "dodgy" one!! I'm more confused than ever now! I put a few drops on a cotton pad, and a few hours later it did smell more like I'd expect from patchouli. Now I keep second guessing myself and thinking perhaps the first patchouli oil was fine all along. I keep smelling and re-smelling them both, but can't seem to come to any decision. I think I'm going to leave it for awhile and see if the smell fades. I used some in soap, but can't smell it at all now (maybe the smell will come out when I start using the soap?), and I used it in lotion bars, which smell...overwhelming. I made another batch of soap on Friday, using a little patchouli along with some other EOs I bought: vetivert, bergamot, and ylang ylang. I did try that one on a cotton pad before putting it in the soap and it was alright. I think my essential oil crisis is over for the time being. Thank you both for your support  Cheesy
22  BATH AND BEAUTY / Bath and Beauty: Discussion and Questions / Re: A question about dodgy essential oil on: March 19, 2009 01:32:12 PM
hmm yeah that is weird! Try asking different companies for "sniffies" (or maybe there is another term in the uk?) usually they will send a cotton ball or q tip dipped in the oil so you can smell it.

yeah that seems expensive....50 ml is less than 2 fluid ounces isn't it? I would be so mad! It stinks that everything is so spendy and then to get crap product. I think patchouli eo is over $40 US for 16 ounces here.

That's a great idea! I never would have thought of asking for samples. 50mL is 1.69 fluid ounces according to onlineconversion.com, so yeah, less than 2.

I agree with MareMare; I'd contact the supplier and express your concerns. That is fairly expensive for patchoulli (that's about $9/ounce by my calc.); it's generally around 1.70/ounce here ($2.50). But as MareMare said, depending on where they get their supply, it could vary.

Some EOs do smell funky in their bottle because they are so concentrated, but they'd mellow out and smell "normal" in product. It could be possible that it was expired or stored improperly. I once left a bottle of EO in a hot, direct-sun filled room when I was starting out and it went bad quick!

See what your side-by-side smell analysis tells you and then contact the supplier. Most places will probably work with you. Smiley

I think things tend to be more expensive here than in the US, too. The 10ml (1/3 ounce) I bought elsewhere was about 3, which is similar to what I saw on a few other sites. I'm glad you mentioned about them going off quickly. I haven't thought too hard about where I'm storing them, though I have been trying to keep them away from direct sunlight. Finding somewhere safe to keep them can be my project for the weekend.

Thank you both for your replies. I think I just needed some external validation--I felt a bit silly going back to the supplier saying I didn't realise it didn't smell right until after I'd ruined two batches of bath products with it.  Cheesy  Oh well, live and learn.
23  BATH AND BEAUTY / Bath and Beauty: Discussion and Questions / Re: A question about dodgy essential oil on: March 19, 2009 12:02:26 PM
MareMare to the rescue again! Smiley I bought 50mL for 12.95. I do have some eucalyptus oil already and I don't think they smell the same. I don't even think it smells particularly pine-y, but neither does the karvol which definitely has a lot of pine oil in it. I have ordered some patchouli essential oil from elsewhere, which is due to arrive tomorrow, so I can compare the two side by side. I know it's difficult to discuss smells over the internet, but I thought it was worth asking. Thanks for your input. I'm going to email the company tomorrow after I've compared my new patchouli to the original, vile version. I'm hoping that if it is pine oil, the smell will fade over time.
24  BATH AND BEAUTY / Bath and Beauty: Completed Projects / Re: 8 Loaves of New Soap (IMG HEAVY) on: March 18, 2009 02:19:35 PM
Beautiful! I love the colours, and I, too, am salivating!
25  BATH AND BEAUTY / Bath and Beauty: Discussion and Questions / Re: The Official Fragrance Oil & Essential Oil Thread! on: March 18, 2009 10:05:08 AM
Thank you both for answering my question. Smiley  I haven't seen any essential oils that specifically say they aren't safe to use on skin, but I just wanted to make sure I didn't have to ask every supplier I might want to purchase from for the rest of my life.

I'm finding this thread really interesting and useful, so thanks, Nymeria, for starting it. I had no idea real vanilla oil was so expensive!
26  BATH AND BEAUTY / Bath and Beauty: Discussion and Questions / A question about dodgy essential oil on: March 18, 2009 02:47:39 AM
I'm new to all this. Last week I ordered a bunch of stuff from soapkitchenonline.co.uk. I'd seen them mentioned in forums as a good supplier, plus they were the only UK website I could find that sells lye. I have no complaints about anything I ordered from them, except the patchouli essential oil I bought.

Everything came in plain bottles, with handwritten labels stuck on, so I assume they have huge vats of everything and measure everything out specially for each order. I'm familar with the smell of patchouli, but I've never smelled the EO neat before. It didn't smell at all like I expected, but I thought I could just about make out the smell of patchouli (perhaps that was wishful thinking), and attributed the pungency to the fact that it was pure essential oil and therefore really concentrated.

I've used it in a couple of things now--lotion bars & soap--and am not at all happy with the resulting smell. It's got quite a "green" smell to it, and is not really very woody or musky or warm as I'd expect from patchouli. Now that I've had time to smell it plenty and ponder what could have gone wrong, I'm wondering if they sent me the wrong type of oil. My husband said it smells like karvol, which is a bit like a more natural version of vicks, but it's made with pine oil.

So... does pine oil look like patchouli oil? Does patchouli oil go off and develop a green smell? I'm going to order a small quantity of patchouli from another supplier and compare them. I'm really frustrated because I've now used some of this oil and ended up with products that smell awful, and I bought 50ml of it because i really like patchouli & wanted to save a little money by buying in bulk. I've also used up most of my jojoba oil, which isn't cheap, in stuff that now reeks of karvol.  Angry

27  BATH AND BEAUTY / Bath and Beauty: Discussion and Questions / Re: The Official Fragrance Oil & Essential Oil Thread! on: March 18, 2009 01:54:15 AM
This is probably a dumb question, but if an essential oil from one supplier is safe for use in skin care products, would that same oil from anywhere else also be safe? I keep seeing warnings about making sure fragrance oils are skin safe, and I'd assumed the same was true for essential oils. It finally occured to me that essential oil is essential oil is essential oil. I know certain EOs are irritants and should be avoided or used sparingly, but if, say, lavender essential oil is safe for use on skin & in soap, then lavender essential oil should be safe from any source as long as it's pure, unadulterated lavender EO, right?
28  BATH AND BEAUTY / Bath and Beauty: Completed Projects / Re: Soap making tutorial! on: March 16, 2009 02:16:04 PM
ditto what smittenheart said. It's fine to wash it down the drain. I've been using disposable plastic cups because I have tons of them around and haven't yet purchased a reusable, dedicated lye cup. I've been putting the cups into grocery bags and tying them shut before putting them in the bin, but I think i'm being overly paranoid. When I measure my lye, I move the scale to the draining board, so if I spill any I can easily rinse it into the sink.
29  BATH AND BEAUTY / Bath and Beauty: Completed Projects / Re: first soap on: March 15, 2009 01:42:59 PM
I dont think theres a way..and if you find a way let me know..it could be worse at least this hobby means that your family stays clean.. Grin

lol! Yes, I keep reminding him that at least it's a *useful* hobby!

Yay!  Another soap maker!!  Congrats on your first batch of soap turning out wonderfully.  My first time was a flop.

Thanks! I've always been good at following directions, but I thought i'd still manage to screw it up. I love your quote from Blue Velvet, by the way. I lived on PBR in college (I have more sophisticated tastes now)  Cheesy

I think I might go with the less scary melt and pour for my first-and just add some pretty smells.
Since I'm due in 6wks with our first little one I might try and avoid scary things like lye. Grin
My mum is such a wizz at making soaps and fragrances and hers were always so colourfull and pretty-sometimes a little too colourfull at first! (We were blue for a few days!)
Cant wait to see this next batch-sounds mmmm good.

Funnily enough, I didn't think I was interested in making scented soap, but now that seems like the most fun part. Congratulations on your impending motherhood--hopefully it won't infringe too much on your crafting time Wink
30  BATH AND BEAUTY / Bath and Beauty: Completed Projects / Re: first soap on: March 15, 2009 08:42:37 AM
Smittenheart, I used OhHappyDay's vegan version, which was a little coconut oil & a lot of olive oil.  Everything went surprisingly smoothly (I thought that certainly meant I'd made some grave error!). For my second batch I made up my own recipe, after doing lots of research. I used tallow, coconut oil, olive oil, jojoba & castor oil. I've just cut it, and it's a little sticky, but i've heard castor oil can do that. I will post pics of batch two sometime soon, along with the recipe I used. You're right, it is tons of fun! I just have to think of a way to convince my husband that we need more soap now! Smiley
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