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Title: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: Brewster on July 06, 2005 08:58:29 PM
My little siter (11) wants her ears to be peirced SO badly.  But people advise not to get it done with a gun at the mall.  If not there, WHERE should she get it done?


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: the littlest ninja on July 07, 2005 06:56:45 AM
At a clean, reputable tatoo/piercing parlor.  Mom will have to come with, and sometimes even then they won't do it, but it's better to look around and pick a spot that has the necessary equipment to keep things sterile.


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: ADHDCraftster on July 07, 2005 06:59:47 AM
I find nothing wrong with getting them done at the mall.  It's not a big deal at all and soooo many people do it that it has to be safe.  One tip though: go to a place in the mall where they do both ears at the same time!!!  I got mine done at age 10 and they pierced only one ear at a time and it was hell.  Now, they do it with two people and at the same time and it's over so fast that you dont even think about crying.  Hope this helps!


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: ultraviolet on July 07, 2005 07:01:52 AM
It will cost more to get it done by a body piercer, but it will be worth it! Guns do not pierce cleanly, and there's much more of a chance of infection. Also, they use studs instead of hoops, and I believe that because of the backings on the earrings its much harder for the piercing to heal; if a piercer does it, you can put in hoops, which allow for more drainage, air, or whatever is needed for proper healing.


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: ysolda on July 07, 2005 07:11:34 AM
my ears were pierced 6 years ago with a gun - they still aren't healed properly, there is also amuch greater risk of getting something really nasty because the only part of the gun that is sterile is the earring - whereas a good piercer will have EVERYTHING sterile.
and sharp needles hurt less
I would look for personal recommendations - and make sure you find a nice friendly piercer that will be nice to an eleven yr old and that has a clean studio. I would visit before hand or jsut have a chat when you make an appointment


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: Vood on July 07, 2005 07:15:58 AM
A piercing gun cannot be completely steralized and generally the people who do it in the mall recieve very little training. It's not worth the risk of contacting a disease/infection and possibly ending up with uneven holes. So, yeah, a tattoo/piercing place is the best option.
I hate the sound of the guns too.


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: cataway on July 07, 2005 11:23:21 AM
Stay away from the pretty,sweet smelling lady at the makeup counter with her evil gun ( who says the stud is sterilized I don't see an autoclave anywhere near these places) better to go to the tattoo/piercing place, they only LOOK scary.  There will be less pain, less infection and shorter healing times


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: Brewster on July 07, 2005 12:01:34 PM
my ears were pierced 6 years ago with a gun - they still aren't healed properly, there is also amuch greater risk of getting something really nasty because the only part of the gun that is sterile is the earring - whereas a good piercer will have EVERYTHING sterile.
and sharp needles hurt less
I would look for personal recommendations - and make sure you find a nice friendly piercer that will be nice to an eleven yr old and that has a clean studio. I would visit before hand or jsut have a chat when you make an appointment

My other sister got her naval peircing and eyebrow peircing from this one guy, she recommends him.  So maybe him?  I dunno. 


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: ADHDCraftster on July 07, 2005 12:39:20 PM
Well, this is the first time ever that I've heard of anyone having problems with someone at the Mall piercing their ears, especially  if your just piercing the lobes and no cartilage.  I've heard way more stories of things gone wrong at a tattoo parlour with regards to improper sterilization of equipment!!!  I also highly doubt that only the earring is sterile and the gun isn't and these ladies in the mall piercing ears really dont know what they're doing after doing hundreds of piercings already?!?!?  Anyways, I guess I was just thinking of it from a young girls' standpoint.  I think I'd find a tattoo parlour scary if I were eleven.  best of luck to you in this hard decision  ???


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: mycatisnosferatu on July 08, 2005 08:18:56 AM
Does she just want her lobes done?  Then I think she should just get it done at a jewelry store, they are cleaner than the mall.  But if she wants ANY other part of her ear done she HAS GOT TO get it done at a professionals pierces.


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: Vanessa Cyanide on July 08, 2005 08:29:49 AM
There are a few threads on this already, but there is NO WAY TO STERILIZE THOSE GUNS IN THE MALL. When you get your ear peirced with those guns, it jams a blunt object through your ear and while that is happening, everyone else's ear that has been peirced with that gun, goes into your ear also. They wipe them down with rubbing alcohol and maybe some sort of disinfectant, but that is no way to clean something that gets blood and tissue all over it. You need an autoclave. It may look like they know what they are doing, but really, they do not. Hand em a peicing needle and the proper tools anyday, and they will be completely dumbfounded. There are peircing only shops that are very clean, friendly, and professionally trained to do such things. It may seem like its only an ear lobe, so why not...but really, its YOUR EAR LOBE, you only have 2 of em! They dont grow back. Call around your area and talk to peircers about peircing your little sisters ears. Most places will do it with parental consent. I dont think a tattoo/peircing studio is in any way scary. The people that work there, are very friendly, and talk to you throughout the entire process making it less nerve racking.

And Im sorry, just because you havent heard of these guns being unsteril and bad, doesnt mean they arent. I dont mean to step on anyones toes, but this is a really gross practice and more people need to do research before allowing foriegn objects into their bodies.


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: novemberlies on July 08, 2005 08:36:37 AM
i worked at claires (cough cough, shut it!) and pierced kids with those guns so i sort of know the deal.

guns hold earrings that have a notch on the end so that they can lock on the back (if that makes sense, it is done so that the back does not fall off while sleeping because they obviously do not use O-rings or horse shoes in the mall, haha) so when you are pierced with a gun it tears your ear rather than piercing it because it is not a straight needle.

the earrings put in guns are held in small plastic containers. These containers can never be completely sterilized because they are plastic so if the technician drops it while loading the gun or touches it without gloves there is a slim chance that you can get hepatitis.

i would find a reputable tattoo or piercing place, get recommendations, know people who have gone there. be smart about it.

good luck darling!


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: DorkasaurusRex on July 08, 2005 08:43:17 AM
When I start spreading my evil seed, they will all be taken to my piercer at Acme.  I do adore him.  I have the first holes in my lobes "mall pierced," and as my second holes, I just got them done at an 8 gauge by my piercer (the jewelry healing in them, by the way, is a pair of 8G SS plugs and not rings, and they are doing just fine).  I am in love.  So as a girl having one of each experience, here is what I know.  Several points:

1) The gun is actually forcing a blunt piece of metal through your ear, therefore tearing through the skin.  Piercers (or at least GOOD piercers, check out http://www.safepiercing.org/) use surgical grade, sterile, bevelled needles that push the skin apart instead of tearing it.

2) Guns are not precise.  My gunned holes are uneven and it DRIVES ME INSANE.  I wear a lot of studs and one always hangs lower than the other.  My piercer and I decided to line up my second holes "geographically" and not according to my uneven mall holes because I want to get the lower hole re-pierced to be even.  No matter what piercing, my piercer always marks the spot with a dot of black ink and we both look at it for a few minutes and discuss placement.  When I got a matching set, he had me hold the mirror so he could see both ears at once and then even got a second opinion just to make sure.  If whoever is operating the gun even flinches, you're going to have an uneven hole.

3) My "huge" 8Gs are actually healing faster than my (20G) lobe piercings did.  They are less sore and I already sleep on them, even though I'm not supposed to.

4) Check out the website I mentioned for guys in your area.  Any piercer you go on there will be insanely clean.  My piercer puts on gloves and opens every single sterile package in front of me on a dental tray lined in that blue disposable medical paper.  He is a neat freak about everything and I am all "just get on with it!"

Having one of each kind of piercing in my lobes here is what I have decided:  I love piercers.  I do not love mall guns.  That's all.


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: AWynkoop on July 08, 2005 09:04:27 AM
Just my 2 cents... I had my ears pierced at the mall when I was 10 and  they got so infected I had to remove my earrings. Two years later I convinced my mom to take me to get them done again.  To the mall we went and wouldn't you know it, infection followed and I had to remove my earrings yet again. After that my mom refused to let me get them done.  Well, we all know how teenagers are, and I was no exception, and at 13 I wanted my ears pierced like all my friends.  So I took matters into my own hands...literally.  I pierced them myself with a very sharp sewing needle.  I made sure to boil the needle and earrings to kill any germs, washed my hands very well and sterilized both my hands and ears with rubbing alcohol. 14 years later and I have never had a problem. And yes, my mom was really mad when she found out I had pierced them myself! And yes, I would be mad a my 9 yo daughter if she were to attempt piercing at home. My advice would be to go to a good piercing studio, and avoid the mall at all costs.


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: Brewster on July 08, 2005 11:54:25 AM
I dunno, she also wants to have them stretched some day.  I guess the peircing/tatoo palror is the best decision then?


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: Vanessa Cyanide on July 08, 2005 11:56:46 AM
YES!


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: PuckrUpNkissMoi on July 08, 2005 12:03:12 PM
http://www.bmeworld.com/heidi/guns.html

if that's not enough to make you not want to be pierced by a gun, check out some of the pics.  EW.  (warning, don't look here if you dont' want to be seriously grossed out http://risks.bmezine.com/?Ear+piercing+stud)


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: Brewster on July 08, 2005 12:38:53 PM
Question, if she gets it done at the peircing place, will it be easier to get the peircing stretched when she older?
Sorry for askign so many questions, shes asking me to ask them.


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: Vanessa Cyanide on July 08, 2005 12:42:15 PM
YES!
It will be a lot easier for her to stretch a clean, professional peircing than an infected, lumped, or uneven mall gun peircing.


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: PuckrUpNkissMoi on July 08, 2005 12:44:31 PM
I don't think it'd be easier to stretch, per se.  She would be able to get them peirced larger at first, though.  I can almost guarantee that her new holes will heal much nicer and easier if she gets it done with a needle rather than the gun.  Thus she can probably stretch sooner. 




I got one of my second holes done with a gun, and wouldn't ya know, a year later the stupid thing still wasn't healed and was a constant source of frustration.  I decided to stretch it and use horshoes instead of studs to heal, and man, 6 months later, i'm So glad i finally switched!  Guns just aren't worth it. 


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: megadethkicksass on July 08, 2005 08:21:44 PM
i think i got my first holes at walmart. i had some problems but maybe i just wasnt clenaign them enough. but the rest of my holes ive done myself. but if you peirce them wrong you can get ear buble things that look gross and dont go away. my firend has a nasty one! at the sally's store, they sell peircing guns liek one time use ones, and my friends have used them and said they dont veen hurt and they dotn give you problems. just make sure theyre even!


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: Brewster on July 08, 2005 10:16:48 PM
My mom refuses to take her.  She says she will get aids.  She says the perosn who does it will be an old smelly fat guy who hasn't bathed in weeks.  So sorry, but Shes probably never going ot get her ears pierced because our mom is a twit.


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: spoonerism on July 08, 2005 10:22:56 PM
well. as for being scared of the tatoo parlour / piercer.
honestly, i know this girl who got her naval pierced @ 14 at this Vintage Shop (friggin' amazing clothes!) and she got scared. And her mom was like (elyse was so freaked out at that place. the people had like. 4 holes.) so hahah. if i were 11 i wouldn't be scared.


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: Brewster on July 08, 2005 10:28:41 PM
Like I said, its out of quetsion anyways.  My mom refuses to let any body but herself or a peircer at a mall do it.  She says the people at tatoo parlors have aids, and don't know what they're doing.......


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: PuckrUpNkissMoi on July 09, 2005 12:21:35 AM
My mom refuses to take her. She says she will get aids. She says the perosn who does it will be an old smelly fat guy who hasn't bathed in weeks. So sorry, but Shes probably never going ot get her ears pierced because our mom is a twit.

WOW.  I think ignorant, rather than twit, fits better..     May i suggest, for future piercing's sake (not to mention your sister's friggin ears!) and to educate, taking your mom to a piercing/tattoo studio?  Seriously.  Tell her to ask them questions about AIDS and hepatitis and autoclaves, and *piercing guns*.  I think she'd be surprised at how many respectable, clean cut, smart people work in a decent and reputable studio.   

i think i will end this lecture here, as otherwise i may go overboard!!   ;)


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: DorkasaurusRex on July 09, 2005 06:27:18 AM
I just got very upset.  My piercer has less holes than I do.  They are ridiculous about the autoclave!  They aren't big on appointments there, but when I want an unusual piercing that requires a needle they wouldn't normally have in stock sterilized, they make me call ahead and wait a day so they can autoclave it, regardless of the fact that it would be really profitable for their studio to go ahead and do it.  It would be profitable, but not in the long run, because word would get out that they did an unsafe piercing on someone and they would lose so much business.

Like a said earlier, go to http://www.safepiercing.org/ and print out the Piercee's Bill of Rights and give it to your mom.  I had a copy of it handed to me to keep, read to me by my piercer, and thoroughly explained the first time I went to my parlor.  Look up a location on there near you and go check it out.

Here is a quote from their section on "Choosing a Piercer:"
A spore test (biological indicator) is the only way to know that an autoclave is working properly. Biological indicators actually test the autoclave’s ability to kill even the most dangerous & resistant organisms such as HIV, Hepatitis, etc. The studio should keep recent results on file and be willing to show them to you."

If your mom is still going to be prejudiced solely on hearsay and not by actually talking to a member of the piercing community, then at least try to educate your sister privately, let her know her resources, her future options, and what she should expect from a good piercer.  I would hate to see a predjuce passed on, because if in the future she did decide to get more holes, then she should at least be able to educate herself nonbiased enough that she can avoid infections and permanent damage to her body.


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: Brewster on July 09, 2005 01:14:02 PM
It doesn't matter what I do.  When I start talking to her about it she grounds me and says she doesn't want to talk about it


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: halfjackd on July 09, 2005 02:04:16 PM
It's really a shame that your mom is being close minded about this (no offense!)

I had my first lobe piercings done in a mall with a gun back in....1983 I think.  Over 20 years later, they still have thick bumpy scars around them on the inside of the lobe.  Since then I've had four more done in a parlor and they're all clean, neat holes.

I'm basically repeating most of what's been said here, but body mod shops aren't what the stereotypes claim anymore.  Sure, you'll run in to nasty shops from time to time, but it's a lot less common than it used to be.  Most of the ones I've been to are extremely professional and pride themselves on cleanliness and being able to offer information on proper care and safety.

It sounds like your mom is going to shoot you down, regardless of the research that you do.  The only alternative is to pass this information on to your sister and when she's old enough to have the work done herself, she can make an intelligent, safe decision on her own.


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: CatyX on July 09, 2005 02:57:16 PM
I'm stuck- I've looked all over the internet and found 7 professionally proper piercing parlor places near where I live and would you believe that they will only use a gun to do ear lobes??

I'm very annoyed right now.


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: Brewster on July 09, 2005 03:13:03 PM
Yeah.  This sucks for her too, my sister has wanted to get her ears pierced since she was 3.


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: PuckrUpNkissMoi on July 09, 2005 04:59:54 PM
CatyX - when you say "professionally proper," what exatly does that mean???

Claire's, walmart, and the piercing pagoda are not...  proper.  And if a place actually uses a gun, i would not recommended going there!  You never know what other unsafe practices they use....  (this is strange, though, as i personally have never heard of a piercing studio that actually promotes gun use.)


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: DorkasaurusRex on July 09, 2005 07:29:40 PM
I'm stuck- I've looked all over the internet

CatyX-
Try asking around.  My piercers are not actually on the internet anymore (they used to be).  I work at a coffee shop so it's easy for me to just ask people who are ordering where they get their piercings done.  If you are looking for a good place, most people I have asked are very polite and actually very eager to recommend their favorites (I know I am, I hand out their number and have it in my cell phone).

Brewster-
It's really odd that your Mom grounds you.  I wonder if she or a relative had a traumatic experience or something.  Probably not, just me stirring up drama.  Anyway, still really odd.


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: Flip Flop on July 09, 2005 08:11:08 PM
boy i wish i knew this before i got my ears pierced...i have 3 holes in each ear from the mall. I havent had any problems (well once one hole hurt but i just put some disinfectant on it and it got better) but looking at these i would definitely have gone with a pro piercer...


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: PuckrUpNkissMoi on July 10, 2005 10:00:06 AM
i'm with ya, flip flop!  I tend to think that almost everyone who is pierced has at least 1 lobe piercing that was gunned...  It's a totally different story to get your ears gunned when you don't know better, but to get them gunned when you know the risks of it and such..  wow! 


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: Brewster on July 10, 2005 01:38:14 PM
Yeah.  She did take another one of my sisters to get her ears pierced when she was 1 year old . and she screamed.  But
A. That piercing was DONE with a GUN!
B. SHE WAS A BABY! Of course she screamed!  This sister, is 11!  Nearly a teenager!

And my moms ears were pierced by her mother.  With a needle and thread.  Jah.
So no, no one has had a "traumatic" experience besides our older sister, when she was a BABY.  And that was all because of a GUN.


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: the.fee.fairy on July 11, 2005 12:17:31 PM
right, to clear all this lot up, i will weigh out the pros and cons of equipment:

Gun:
1. the stud is NOT sharp, if you look at a piercing stud, the end is flat.
2. those things move at around 150mph
3. As has been said before, do you see an autoclave? if not, things are not sterilised properly.
4. The metal in those studs is not good quality...at all. you should be piercied with Titanium, Niobium, Zircon or PTFE, these are all virtually nickel free. Gold, no matter what carat is NOT nickel free.

Needle:
1, THe needle is sharp, it will cut cleanly through the ear rather than blasting its way through
2. Needle generally equals autoclave.
3. Needles are got out of sterile packaging, usually in front of you, so therefore, you know that they are sterile
4. needles are one-use
5. the clamps can be sterilised, and all other equipment can be disposed of in biohazard rubbish, something i have never ever seen at any of the 'gun' places.

I hope this clears it up, GUN = BAD NEEDLE = GOOD



Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: PuckrUpNkissMoi on July 11, 2005 12:29:30 PM
another difference is the needle is hollow, and therefore when it is pushed through the skin, it gouges out the flesh leaving an actual hole, instead of pushing through and merely displacing the flesh as a stud does. 


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: cathou on July 11, 2005 12:34:38 PM
another difference is the needle is hollow, and therefore when it is pushed through the skin, it gouges out the flesh leaving an actual hole, instead of pushing through and merely displacing the flesh as a stud does. 
actually this isn't true, the needle creates a (clean) crescent shaped cut. But the gun crushes the tissue (ouch).


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: DithMer on July 11, 2005 12:53:04 PM
So I'm going to admit it.  I got my cartilige pierced by a gun in Europe.  Twice.  But I couldn't find places to get it done!  And I had to have my European piercings!  In Paris, I found one place, and I showed up, and they barely spoke English, which of course I don't begrudge them, because, you know, Paris.  But they told me they were going to charge 55 Euro to do my cartilige, and even though they were all sitting around they told me I would have to come back 45 minutes later.  So I just couldn't.  The Claire's was 3 subway stops away, and they were quick and it's healed fine.  And then in London, well... my excuses aren't as good in London.  I was staying down the street from the Victoria station, and the Claire's was right there, and the really nice (and really cute, I might add) British guy showed me his license from his piercing school and we made him laugh about tales of girls in American malls talking on their cell phones while piercing people and well I did it, and it healed fine too.  I know, I know.  Bad Mer.  But desperate times call for desperate measures. :)


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: PuckrUpNkissMoi on July 11, 2005 02:19:23 PM
another difference is the needle is hollow, and therefore when it is pushed through the skin, it gouges out the flesh leaving an actual hole, instead of pushing through and merely displacing the flesh as a stud does. 
actually this isn't true, the needle creates a (clean) crescent shaped cut. But the gun crushes the tissue (ouch).


 ... "The piercing needles are hollow rather than solid so that they actually cut a tiny hole through the skin being pierced rather than punching through the skin."  from http://www.howitworks.net/how-body-piercing-works.html    All piercing needles are hollow unless they are specially ordered for certain circumstances.


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: cathou on July 12, 2005 06:19:07 AM
another difference is the needle is hollow, and therefore when it is pushed through the skin, it gouges out the flesh leaving an actual hole, instead of pushing through and merely displacing the flesh as a stud does. 
actually this isn't true, the needle creates a (clean) crescent shaped cut. But the gun crushes the tissue (ouch).


 ... "The piercing needles are hollow rather than solid so that they actually cut a tiny hole through the skin being pierced rather than punching through the skin."  from http://www.howitworks.net/how-body-piercing-works.html    All piercing needles are hollow unless they are specially ordered for certain circumstances.

search "hollow needle" on http://www.bmezine.com/qod3/index.html and you will have a better answer with explication. I'm sure the howitworks website is not mean intended but unfortunatly it doesn't give trully acurate information. I was pierced with larger gauged piercing needle and never lost a piece of skin in the process.


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: StephInTheCity on July 12, 2005 09:09:06 AM
Not to sound like a broken record or anything, but piercings done with guns are just plain evil.  Bad, bad, bad!  Now that that's out of the way, I thought I'd mention a few other things. 

I don't remember anyone saying that a good piercer will wear hospital grade latex gloves (and many have non-latex ones for customers who are latex-sensitive).  So even if the piercer had AIDS (which is a ridiculous and offensive assumption to make), you're not going to get it.  You're more likely to get something from the person working at the mall who has been handling money (much of which supposedly contains traces of human feces when tested in labs--gross!).

I don't know much about the needle shape (hollow or whatever), but I do know that there are flesh punches (at least I think that's what they're called) that will take a chunk out of your skin, just like a hole punch.  I believe they are used mainly for large gauge conch piercings (the inside of the ear).  Thinking about that makes me squirm, but I have seen pics of them being done.

Finally, many states/counties/municipalities license tattoo and piercing studios.  The licensing process generally includes a health inspection.  I didn't check to see where anyone on this thread lives, but you might want to contact your city's health department to start with.  Someone there can probably tell you if and how licenses are granted.

Anyway, just had to put my two cents in...

[edited because i didn't spellcheck]


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: DorkasaurusRex on July 12, 2005 01:28:12 PM
I don't know much about the needle shape (hollow or whatever), but I do know that there are flesh punches (at least I think that's what they're called) that will take a chunk out of your skin, just like a hole punch.  I believe they are used mainly for large gauge conch piercings (the inside of the ear).  Thinking about that makes me squirm, but I have seen pics of them being done.

They are called dermal punches.  I almost had them done, but when I called my piercers to ask about them, they told me they refused to do them.  They said that dermal punching removes a piece of your ear that will never grow back, and they want everyone they do piercings on to be able to heal completely and entirely.  They did pierce me with an 8 gauge needle, although I could have gone as far as a 6, and I am heading back in the next couple of months to have them gauged up to a 4, and it will grow back if i ever decide to let it.  Although I read stories on BMEzine about little "tabs" of skin on the back of piercings done with larger needles that would eventually heal back into the ear, I never had those.  Just a nice clean 8G hole done with a nice clean needle. 


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: viciouskittie on July 12, 2005 01:37:14 PM
guns are just plain evil..heh..i know some kids that got them dermapunched and it was the weirdest thing to watch...but watching someone get their ears scalped is worse...stuff like that, your ears wont go back, youd have to have them surgically done to fix it...at my friends shop they'll do all that, but they sit and explain it all very thoughly with you and give you time to think about it and look at pictures...i dont know which is worse..watching the scalping or the carterizing (sp?) after..


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: StephInTheCity on July 13, 2005 06:57:57 AM
Oh, visciouskitty, I am almost afraid to ask... but what exactly does scalping entail?  I mean, I know what scalping means in general, but I've never heard it applied specifically to ears.  You have piqued my curiosity.


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: silencepainter on July 13, 2005 07:13:21 AM
There are a few threads on this already, but there is NO WAY TO STERILIZE THOSE GUNS IN THE MALL. When you get your ear peirced with those guns, it jams a blunt object through your ear and while that is happening, everyone else's ear that has been peirced with that gun, goes into your ear also.

This is incorrect.  Things have changed a bit.  The guns, at least in my reputable places are sterile.  I got mine done at merele normans and the gun was sterile.  What happens now is that the handle is reused, however the part that holds the earring, and touches you is now disposable and a new one is used each time.  Perhaps not everyplace has this, but I've seen at least two places that do.

Now to be honest, I agree piercings with guns are not good things as a general rule.  But also to be honest, they are FINE for earlobes.  I've actually talked with piercers that will admit, that when it comes to earrlobes the guns really do work fine.  However any other part of the ear or body, should not ever ever ever ever be pierced with a gun.  As people have already said.


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: digitaldreamsx on July 13, 2005 08:19:54 AM
time to share my story.

i got my ears done with a gun when i was a few months old.
they are digustingly uneven, and have yet to heal. this was almost 15 years ago.

i got my cartilidge done at the mall.
the woman who did it was the dumbest woman who ever lived. she tried to get my to get it done with a silver earing(im alergic to silver-real or fake) she told me that wasn't possible. she finally let me use titanium.
she dropped the earing (ON THE NASTY DIRTY MALL FLOOR! jersey malls are not all that clean) then tried to put it in my ear. i made her get another one (she tried to make me buy it-that wasnt happening) she didnt mark my ear or show me where she was putting it. snapped the gun, didnt go through. moved it it tiny bitt lower. snap. it went through but the gun was stuck. she tries to tell me nothing was wrong as she pulls on the gun. she gets the gun off then tries to do the other side. i wouldnt let her. THEN SHE WANTED A TIP

another one that hasnt healed yet...

i've done all my other holes and the healed within a month, not 15 years...


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: Seika on July 13, 2005 08:25:02 AM
I had all three of my holes done at the mall, cause they wouldn't do it anywhere else(which majorly pissed me off)anyways, Mine are fine, they seem to be even, and the only time I had a problem with infection was the first ones when I got them done with the fake gold cr*p.


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: theartofmegan on July 13, 2005 08:32:05 AM
All I know is, I was dumb enough to trust the dopey 17 year old girls who worked at the mall with a few of my ear piercings, but that's only because I didn't know anything about the piercing/tattooing scene yet.  And wouldn't you know it, my piercings are crooked.  Stupid kids!  Can't even pierce straight onto the dumb purple dot they put on my ears!  I mean really, do you want to trust something that not only is a health issue, but that you'll most likely be sporting until you're an old person to a ditzy kid with *very* little training who makes minimum wage to sell cheap jewelry to other teenagers?  Yeah, I wish I woulda known better.

That said, the hollow point needles don't remove a chunk of skin at all... They are hollow, yes, but not at the tip.  The nifty thing about a hollow point needle is that when they get ready to put the piece of jewelry into the fresh piercing, they just butt it up against the hollow end of the needle (the jewelry end is shaped like this: > ) and slide them through together.  

Now, as far as scalpeling goes, I was told by my former piercist that if you are going for a large gauge piercing, it's actually one of the easier ways to do so without your ear tearing or overstretching.  They actually do heal back together just fine eventually because it's nothing but a slit cut into your earlobe.  However, you can only go to a certain size depending on how big your earlobes are.  Personally, piercing my belly button pretty much freaked me out as it was, and the people that get their ears scalpeled have GOT to be a different kinda weird than I am.  That's for sure!


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: Vanessa Cyanide on July 13, 2005 08:41:00 AM
There are a few threads on this already, but there is NO WAY TO STERILIZE THOSE GUNS IN THE MALL. When you get your ear peirced with those guns, it jams a blunt object through your ear and while that is happening, everyone else's ear that has been peirced with that gun, goes into your ear also.

This is incorrect.  Things have changed a bit.  The guns, at least in my reputable places are sterile.  I got mine done at merele normans and the gun was sterile.  What happens now is that the handle is reused, however the part that holds the earring, and touches you is now disposable and a new one is used each time.  Perhaps not everyplace has this, but I've seen at least two places that do.

Now to be honest, I agree piercings with guns are not good things as a general rule.  But also to be honest, they are FINE for earlobes.  I've actually talked with piercers that will admit, that when it comes to earrlobes the guns really do work fine.  However any other part of the ear or body, should not ever ever ever ever be pierced with a gun.  As people have already said.

I havent seen this in practice.  Is each disposable peice metal or plastic? Does it come autoclaved in packages? I dont see how peircers could say that guns are ok for any peircing.  Put the hygenical problems aside and look at how the blunt object smashes through your lobe. But thats just my thought on it...


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: silencepainter on July 13, 2005 01:46:55 PM
There are a few threads on this already, but there is NO WAY TO STERILIZE THOSE GUNS IN THE MALL. When you get your ear peirced with those guns, it jams a blunt object through your ear and while that is happening, everyone else's ear that has been peirced with that gun, goes into your ear also.

This is incorrect.  Things have changed a bit.  The guns, at least in my reputable places are sterile.  I got mine done at merele normans and the gun was sterile.  What happens now is that the handle is reused, however the part that holds the earring, and touches you is now disposable and a new one is used each time.  Perhaps not everyplace has this, but I've seen at least two places that do.

Now to be honest, I agree piercings with guns are not good things as a general rule.  But also to be honest, they are FINE for earlobes.  I've actually talked with piercers that will admit, that when it comes to earrlobes the guns really do work fine.  However any other part of the ear or body, should not ever ever ever ever be pierced with a gun.  As people have already said.

I havent seen this in practice.  Is each disposable peice metal or plastic? Does it come autoclaved in packages? I dont see how peircers could say that guns are ok for any peircing.  Put the hygenical problems aside and look at how the blunt object smashes through your lobe. But thats just my thought on it...

Each disposable piece was plastic.  Not perfect I know, but better than it was.  I don't rememeber all the details, it was a bit ago.

I understand that guns aren't the best for piercings.  My point is that when it comes to earrlobes, they are generally okay.  Yes problems occur.  Problems occur with any type of piercing, done any type of way.  My earlobes are double pierced.  They were pierced with guns.  The holes are straight, even, and healed fine.  I've had trouble with my earlobes once when little, because I put a pair of earrings that had some sort of metal I was allergic to.


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: Seika on July 13, 2005 01:51:50 PM
my 2cents: some of the earring are not blunt when done at the mall.  Mine definatley were not.


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: PuckrUpNkissMoi on July 13, 2005 09:02:02 PM
so what happens when blood from someone's ear splashes onto this "reusable" gun handle?

or if it drops on the floor?

or the "piercer" doesn't wash their hands after using the bathroom, does a piercing, and someone else uses that same dirty gun?

...

you get the drift.  Even if the part that actually shoves the cheap-o butterfly back into your flesh is disposable and clean, there's still chances of contracting some nasty germs and diseases from other parts of the gun. 
Do mall piercers even wear gloves when doing these???  i can't recall..  If they don't, then neither the earring nor the disposable part is sterile.  and most likely not clean.






Whatev!  i think this post is sort of an endless battle.  The biggest thing?  You get what you pay for~!


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: Vanessa Cyanide on July 13, 2005 10:15:12 PM
psssttt...it cant be clean if its made of plastic. it can be freshly made, and packaged...but cant be cleaned. plastic is non-autoclavable. but i am glad to see that some mall shops have taken action to try to reduce their uncleanliness.


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: silencepainter on July 14, 2005 09:15:15 AM

Do mall piercers even wear gloves when doing these???  i can't recall..  If they don't, then neither the earring nor the disposable part is sterile.  and most likely not clean.


THe ones I have been to have washed their hands, and then put on gloves. 


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: xmelinda on July 20, 2005 08:01:08 AM
I've got a question that I'm just going to tack onto this thread, since it's the same topic...

I had my ear cartilage pierced last Saturday.  It was done with a needle, with autoclaved tools and earring, and the piercer wore gloves.  The piercer was my friend's sister, and she has run a successful piercing business for a few years.

As of yesterday and today, it's hurting constantly, a burning throbbing pain, more than it hurt the day I got pierced.  My friend said that's just the way it is with cartilage piercing.  If I take some Advil, it dulls the pain a little bit, but it comes right back in about 2 hours.

There is no oozing or swelling, and it's only a tiny bit red and warm, not excessively.  I don't think it's infected, just inflamed.  I have been cleaning it with only antibacterial soap and water (as instructed) and I haven't been messing with it, though a couple of times I've knocked it a bit and it's very painful.

I've decided I don't want it bad enough to put up with this.  I don't really like the way it looks, even.  I did the first day, probably because of the novelty, but now when I look at it, it just reminds me of the tags they put on beef cattle.

It's got a loop-and-ball, the kind that I can't take out myself, I'll have to go and get a piercer to take it off with pliers.  The piercer who did it is 45 miles away, and I'd kinda feel bad asking her, anyway.  I decided this morning to find a reputable piercer in town and have them take it out.

Then my husband says that it will only be worse if I take it out, because I'll have an open wound.  I read that you shouldn't take it out if it's infected, because the skin can close up and seal in the infection, but as I said, I don't think it is infected.

Will it heal okay if I take it out now (4 days after piercing)?  It doesn't really matter if the pain is normal and will be okay, because I really don't think I want it now, but do I have to keep it and deal with it for 6-8 weeks (or longer) until it heals and *then* take it out?

Any advice would be appreciated.

Melinda


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: StephInTheCity on July 20, 2005 08:22:15 AM
It sounds like your piercing is just irritated, not infected.  While it is possible to seal an infection inside by removing the jewelry before it heals, you probably don't need to worry about that.  I would suggest seeing a doctor just to make sure; if it is infected and you still want to take it out, she/he can prescribe some antibiotics.

This site has good information about piercing aftercare: www.infinitebody.com (they've done many of my piercings and are quite knowledgeable).


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: silencepainter on July 20, 2005 10:11:28 AM
It is true that if its infected you should leave the piercing in.  What it is is the jewelry allows the wound to drain.

That being said, some people will tell you that you should leave it in.  However you should be fine to take it out.  Just make sure that you continue to carefully clean it as you have been.  A sea salt soak would be helpful as well.  Sea salt isn't too expensive (and you can always make bathsalts later).  Just mix some in warm water, and then apply it to your ear using a clean cotton swab soaked into it.

Keep in eye on it, if you see signs of infection, go see a doctor. 

Lauren


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: PuckrUpNkissMoi on July 20, 2005 09:39:33 PM
you'd know if it was infected..   green or brown puss is the most tell tale sign.  Redness and warmth to the touch are also signs, but since your piercing is new, it's going to be red and warm. 

I'd be willing to bet that it's painful #1 cuz its cartilage, #2, it's new, and #3, you've knocked it around a few times....

Have you tried putting a barbell in the hole? you may like how it looks that way.  if you do decide to take it out, the hole will probably close faster than you expect.  Salt soaks and cleaning are still important even if the hole appears closed just to make sure to get all the yucky's out!  After a few days, you can use mederma if there's a scar.  It helps take away lots of the redness and also helps break up scar tissue.


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: Radioactivecrafter on July 20, 2005 10:20:21 PM
My rook piercing (cartilage fold in the upper ear) was very similar to what you are describing  xmelinda, but somewhat worse since it is a thicker part of the ear. I was taking Advil every few hours and it was winter so stepping out in to the cold hurt a whole lot. Anyway after a about a week and a half it was fine, still a bit sore but no longer throbbing. I would wait a little longer until it hurts less to get it removed; that way it will be more comfortable to take out.


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: viciouskittie on July 21, 2005 02:34:35 AM

I'd be willing to bet that it's painful #1 cuz its cartilage, #2, it's new, and #3, you've knocked it around a few times....

my thoughts exactly..i had mine done a long time ago and ended up taking it out...it was too much of a pain for me...


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: the.fee.fairy on August 05, 2005 06:29:30 AM
To the person wiht the red cartilage (sorry, i'm useless with names). DON'T change it for a barbell until it is healed. there is a reason why you are told that a piercing takes so long to heal.

4 days is not that long for a new cartilage. Cartilage can take anywhere from 6-14 weeks to heal properly. Be patient, throw away the antibacterial soap and use sea salt soaks (1 tsp salt to 1/2 pint warm water). Antibacterial soap can be too harsh for some people, and can strip the healing cells away.

Leave it for a couple of weeks, and if you still want to remove it, go to a reputable piercer who will be able to do it for you.


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: stariel on August 05, 2005 08:59:46 AM
If you're doing a cartilidge piercing then definitely go to a piercing/tatoo place and not with a gun.  This is because the cartilidge is harder and with a gun the earring only pushes through, a piercing place will use a hollow-core needle that removes the cartilidge from the hole.

If it's earlobes I woudn't worry about it.  I had 3 earlobe piercings in each ear done with a gun and they were all fine.


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: cheesedip on August 05, 2005 12:57:00 PM
I have no idea whether it's down to guns or bad jewelry or whatever, but my ears are the cheesiest ears ever. So look after them, they can smell really bad!


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: JessiokaFroka on August 07, 2005 08:26:05 AM
Please excuse me if someone's suggested this before me, but I would suggest Wal-Mart; #1) Because I'm cheap #2) Because it's safe and #3) Because my ears are sensitive to anything that isn't gold, even hypo-allergenic stuff, and they had a wonderful selection of fair-priced gold studs to choose from.

-Jess


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: the.fee.fairy on August 07, 2005 09:15:59 AM
Have you not read anything?

Gold still has Nickel in it, so you#d be better off wearing Titanium, Niobioum or PTFE, or if you have to have the gold look, go for Zircon.

DO NOT GET CARTILAGE PIERCED WITH A  GUN.

Jeez, the damage people will do to themselves because its cheap!


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: frogsrock on August 07, 2005 10:25:10 AM
( who says the stud is sterilized I don't see an autoclave anywhere near these places)

they come in a sealed package...already autoclaved, the earrings are packaged in single packs
they dont touch the jewlery when putting it into the gun...the plastic bit its packaged in snaps into the gun
the part near your ear is clean and disposable
and the earring has a sharp (pointed) post
at piercing pagona the ones in the spinny case are just display...they're really like the above....

i've had 10 gun piercings
1st holes (1 try)..mom did it with her own gun...fully healed
2nd holes (3 trys)..first 2 times mom did them...1st time earring too small for my fat ear, 2nd time bad placement...3rd time i went to piercing pagona, i still have these holes a year later...fully healed
cartlidge (2 trys)..first time i had a bump on the back (done at claires) and i gave up on it...2nd time i went to a piercing place and they did it with a gun, its fully healed now, took like 4 months....

all of the above were done with 14k gold, i've never had any problems with gold and when my ears are bothering me i pop some gold in and they're good within a day

the only trouble i've had with a bad piercing was with my 1st holes but that was because it got caught on my aunts necklace...she pulled away...and my ear ripped a little bit, only noticeable if i wear heavy earrings
same with my mom...her dogs tooth got caught on it and it ripped a little too (same ear as me)

most piercing places will insist on doing it with 14g...rather than the standard 20g...(20 is smaller than 14) to avoid the ripping risk

i've also had my naval pierced (needle...it rejected) and i want to do my nose soon..again with a needle

i'd say to your mom well (older sisters name) got 2 piercings at a studio and she doesnt have aids
or let that older sister talk to her


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: FavoriteChemical on September 18, 2005 09:57:18 PM
I work at one of thoes "stupid unsterile stores in the mall" and I think that I am good at it and pretty damn clean.  Our manager makes sure we are trained to the 9's, we had to pierce her ears before we were set lose on customers.  And even though I prefer hoops for myself, with little kids studs seem better b.c they don't get caught on things and they dont snag as easily.  I don't know about other places, but we have latch backs, where theyre a good 1/2 cm away from the ear so they can breathe.  Our studs are pre-sterilized and vaccume packed/sealed until we are ready to use them.  Sorry if this post sounded mean because it wasnt supposed to be..and i do love my local piercing place..but i just wanted to make sure all sides of the issue were said.  ;)


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: Roxylu on September 20, 2005 12:38:51 PM
to the girl with the red painful cartilage piercing: 
you should use NO soap just warm water and SEA SALT soak three times a day. 
go here:
 
http://www.adornbodyart.com/earaftercare.htm

very informative and helpful.  also one thing that struck me as weird is you said you have a hoop right?? 
at my pircers (adornbodyart)  they wouldn't even do a hoop on my cartilage because they said it takes longer to heal and can get snagged in your sleep.....
on a sidenote:  anyone out there thinking of doing a lobe piercing should consider glass.  there an awesome selection of jewelry and from what i've heard it is the least likely material to be rejected by the body.  i got my second lobe piercing done about 6 mos ago and it healed with in 4 weeks so i went back and had it enlarged!!  i love.  and i love the lovely people at adorn i've had all my piercing done there and have NEVER had ANy problems.  ;D


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: Roxylu on September 20, 2005 12:40:42 PM
here's another good info sheet....

 http://www.adornbodyart.com/images/choosing_a_piercer.pdf


Title: Re: Question concerning ear peircings
Post by: rachikus on January 09, 2008 02:21:50 AM
My ears were gunpeirced. Like... 8 years ago.
They're good. I've never had an infection. Thats probably just me. And because of my mum the health freak is obsessed with seasalt soaks for like.. everything.
I really know nothing about peircing.