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Title: Royalty free vintage photos?
Post by: Tappanga on May 25, 2005 04:05:06 PM
I know there are many threads on craftster about royalty free images, but I'm looking for vintage/antique images, like...



(Not sure where I got this one, so don't consider it royalty free)

Any idea where I can get royalty free images like this?

Maybe because of the age, it won't matter? Or can I get personal and old photos from flea markets/antique malls and use those?

Sorry if this question is redundant, and thanks in advance for your help.


Title: Re: Royalty free vintage photos?
Post by: krazigal72 on May 25, 2005 05:24:52 PM
isn't there a rule that if its more than 100 years old you can use it w/o infringing on copyright laws?  also, photos like that are probably personal property-- would it matter?id think you could just use what you find at the flea market w/o worrying about infringment.


Title: Re: Royalty free vintage photos?
Post by: Tappanga on May 26, 2005 08:55:45 AM
isn't there a rule that if its more than 100 years old you can use it w/o infringing on copyright laws? also, photos like that are probably personal property-- would it matter?id think you could just use what you find at the flea market w/o worrying about infringment.

Thanks! I was thinking the same.


Title: Re: Royalty free vintage photos?
Post by: Robyn Lisa on June 19, 2005 06:25:52 PM
antique stores have the best old pictures/postcards! I'd try there, or estate sales. any personal pictures dont have copywrights on them.


Title: Re: Royalty free vintage photos?
Post by: Lippybalm on June 21, 2005 07:47:29 AM
Personal Photos DO have copyright on them. You cannot use a person's image without their permission.

although it is highly unlikely that you will be sued for using a photo found at a flea market, it is possible.
if some relative of a person in an image you used can prove that they are related to that persona and are in charge of that person's estate, they can issue a cease and desist letter to you.

although it is highly unlikely that you will be sued, i would just be wary of using any photos you find that have people's faces in them. shots that have obscured faces in them are fine, due to the fact that it is much more difficult to prove ownership.


Title: Re: Royalty free vintage photos?
Post by: Tappanga on June 21, 2005 12:30:51 PM
Personal Photos DO have copyright on them. You cannot use a person's image without their permission.

although it is highly unlikely that you will be sued for using a photo found at a flea market, it is possible.
if some relative of a person in an image you used can prove that they are related to that persona and are in charge of that person's estate, they can issue a cease and desist letter to you.

although it is highly unlikely that you will be sued, i would just be wary of using any photos you find that have people's faces in them. shots that have obscured faces in them are fine, due to the fact that it is much more difficult to prove ownership.


Well crap. Blurred faces won't help me. Thanks anyway!


Title: Re: Royalty free vintage photos?
Post by: jordanapaige on June 21, 2005 12:55:53 PM
Try istockphoto.com.  Their photos cost about a buck. Be sure to check the licensing terms because depending on how you're using the photos, there may be some restrictions.


Title: Re: Royalty free vintage photos?
Post by: cloudbreakchick on June 21, 2005 02:36:21 PM
I don't know if you're looking for total period photos (with clothes and whatnot), but you can actually use digital photo workshops to add a brownish tone to the pictures, thus making it look vintage.  I use Kodak EasyShare (no photoshop for me, not smart enough)...  I can turn the picture black and white, and then add a sepia tone.  It makes the pictures look old, even though I could have taken it 10 minutes prior. 

Then, use a photo printer, and voila!


Title: Re: Royalty free vintage photos?
Post by: Darkest_Faerie on June 21, 2005 05:25:02 PM
Here is a site it and says right on the top: These are for you to use in your artwork and not for commercial reproduction in collage sheets etc. Most of these images are contributed by art-e-zine visitors and a big thank you to them. Hope these pics are something of what you wanted, its the only site I know about http://www.art-e-zine.co.uk/vintageresources.html


Title: Re: Royalty free vintage photos?
Post by: Tappanga on June 24, 2005 12:58:08 PM
Try istockphoto.com. Their photos cost about a buck. Be sure to check the licensing terms because depending on how you're using the photos, there may be some restrictions.


Hmmm. I don't think istock can help me (mainly because of its lack of vintage photos), but I'll give them a shot. Thanks!

I don't know if you're looking for total period photos (with clothes and whatnot), but you can actually use digital photo workshops to add a brownish tone to the pictures, thus making it look vintage. I use Kodak EasyShare (no photoshop for me, not smart enough)... I can turn the picture black and white, and then add a sepia tone. It makes the pictures look old, even though I could have taken it 10 minutes prior.

Then, use a photo printer, and voila!

No, I don't know anything about photography and don't know enough people willing to model. So that's pretty much out. Thanks, tho!

Here is a site it and says right on the top: These are for you to use in your artwork and not for commercial reproduction in collage sheets etc. Most of these images are contributed by art-e-zine visitors and a big thank you to them. Hope these pics are something of what you wanted, its the only site I know about http://www.art-e-zine.co.uk/vintageresources.html

Holy crap, every photo I have is on that site. That's perfect! Thanks!

(And from their "completed artwork" pages I can see the things I want to do seem to be allowed. Thanks so much!)


Title: Re: Royalty free vintage photos?
Post by: TeriLynn on June 24, 2005 01:42:04 PM
I had a couple of different books (until the SOB ex boyfriend threw all my stuff away) that were all found photos with made-up captions. I wish I could remember the names... "Found Lives" (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0879056185/qid=1119645081/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/103-7818553-2948612?v=glance&s=books&n=507846)  is one. The photos are older (fifties & sixties, mostly) ones that were bought at flea markets and estate sales. I would look into the legality of doing that a little more before dismissing the idea of using them- you can find some really great ones.


Title: Re: Royalty free vintage photos?
Post by: Tappanga on June 24, 2005 02:05:16 PM
I had a couple of different books (until the SOB ex boyfriend threw all my stuff away) that were all found photos with made-up captions. I wish I could remember the names... "Found Lives" (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0879056185/qid=1119645081/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/103-7818553-2948612?v=glance&s=books&n=507846)  is one. The photos are older (fifties & sixties, mostly) ones that were bought at flea markets and estate sales. I would look into the legality of doing that a little more before dismissing the idea of using them- you can find some really great ones.


Nocito has created new and imaginitive lives and situations for the subjects. In one, an outdoor scene under tall trees, a smiling man holds an equally smiling woman upside down in his arms. "Everyone said poor Aunt Constance was made of patience, married to a man like Roscoe. The ladies in her Bible group prayed that there'd be a moment's rest for her someday...."

That's EXACTLY what I want to do! (By the way, the caption for the image in the original post is, "Thank God someone has a camera at this, our happiest moment.") I'll have to get that book. Thanks!


Title: Re: Royalty free vintage photos?
Post by: thommoose on August 11, 2005 02:37:26 PM
BTW--- it's 72 years--- not 100 for those---  (unless that's changed since I did this research in 2001 which is likely--- scratch that- go with 100...)  And--- if the person in the photograph is dead, they no longer have rights.  Now--- if the person happens to be famous, the law gets a little fuzzy here- 'cause images are one thing- and Images are another...  If you buy an album at a fleamarket that has a picture of some depression ear dusbowlers heading west in it (lucky you)  The image would be from the 1920's- definitely older than those 72 years- and it's okay to use.  Likewise- you buy an album at an estate sale of dear old Aunt Marnie--- And inside is a delightful image of Aunt Marnie with fully pomped beehive and catseye glasses... it's YOURS.  You've BOUGHT it.  Ownership of the image and the work have been transfered to you by its sale.
When in doubt, run it through Photoshop and make a "significant" change in the image (that's all the law says- it's really strange there)- and make the resultant image YOURS.
For those that are still living, consent is required before using their image commercially in any way.  What's more- those that have foundations to prevent use of their image postumously continue to be considered "living" by the foundation carrying on existence... 
That's the easiest way of explainin' it all I think...

I generally stick to the 72 years rule--- and when I come across something from the 50's that I MUST have--- I try to tenderly ask if the person is known to be deceased...  (why people sell vintage family photos is way beyond me- I covet mine.)  I usually scan the suckers and do some serious cropping/repairing anyway--- 


Title: Re: Royalty free vintage photos?
Post by: Tappanga on August 11, 2005 03:08:59 PM
BTW--- it's 72 years--- not 100 for those---  (unless that's changed since I did this research in 2001 which is likely--- scratch that- go with 100...)  And--- if the person in the photograph is dead, they no longer have rights.  Now--- if the person happens to be famous, the law gets a little fuzzy here- 'cause images are one thing- and Images are another...  If you buy an album at a fleamarket that has a picture of some depression ear dusbowlers heading west in it (lucky you)  The image would be from the 1920's- definitely older than those 72 years- and it's okay to use.  Likewise- you buy an album at an estate sale of dear old Aunt Marnie--- And inside is a delightful image of Aunt Marnie with fully pomped beehive and catseye glasses... it's YOURS.  You've BOUGHT it.  Ownership of the image and the work have been transfered to you by its sale.
When in doubt, run it through Photoshop and make a "significant" change in the image (that's all the law says- it's really strange there)- and make the resultant image YOURS.
For those that are still living, consent is required before using their image commercially in any way.  What's more- those that have foundations to prevent use of their image postumously continue to be considered "living" by the foundation carrying on existence... 
That's the easiest way of explainin' it all I think...

I generally stick to the 72 years rule--- and when I come across something from the 50's that I MUST have--- I try to tenderly ask if the person is known to be deceased...  (why people sell vintage family photos is way beyond me- I covet mine.)  I usually scan the suckers and do some serious cropping/repairing anyway--- 

Thank you very much for this info! I'm planning to use older photos and not famous subjects, so I should be clear.

Thanks again!


Title: Re: Royalty free vintage photos?
Post by: thommoose on August 11, 2005 03:30:46 PM
NP...  The same applies to works of art as well...  I just got a call today from a studio artist who did work for a client, the client called and asked for digital copies of the artist's work.  The artist wanted to know if he had to just turn them over to the client.  I gave him counsel first on client relations (if there's chances of repeat work, you prolly wanna be compliant- but if it's a one-off type of thing, well...)  There was no contract in this case- and without a contract, since he's still in posession of the work, it's still his.  There's a MAJOR lesson in that for everyone about contracts and custom artwork.  Anyway- I wanted to make sure I wasn't giving him bad advice and checked with a few others--- and posession is the rule there.  It's an original created work- and he's the creator and posessor.  Since there was no contract, the original job specs/agreement dictate the ownership-  he's a painter that painted an image for use in a printed publication.  That agreement says the painting is his- and the payment from the client was for use in a printed publication.  Without the client saying that all materials become their property- it remains an asset of the original artist.  In the end, he charged them a "Digitizing/Archiving" fee and provided a schedule of fees for further image usage- and all were happy with the arrangement.


Title: Re: Royalty free vintage photos?
Post by: [email protected] on August 14, 2005 12:25:49 PM
I bought a cd on Ebay for about $14 US with about 3100 royalty free vintage photos, ads, postcards, holiday cards, etc., from a seller called Joanna Banana. She has about 3 or 4 out and gives a pretty good preview of what's on each one. They are all individual photos that you can print out at any size you want. It's great. Check it out.
Pam


Title: Re: Royalty free vintage photos?
Post by: candycanechild on August 14, 2005 02:23:38 PM
I don't think using photos from art-e-zine would get you sued. Like someone mentioned, it's possible, but highly unlikely. Most pictures on art-e-zine were submitted by the person who owns it for people to use in artwork. So probably, the people wouldn't submit photos if they knew people would use them and they weren't okay with that. However, due to the whole finger-in-the-Wendy's-chillie fiasco, I wouldn't put it past some people.  ;)