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Title: jumbo flyer and bobbin help... is this really a double drive?
Post by: loudxmouse on November 11, 2007 11:17:58 AM
I am borrowing an ashford traditional and I'm still getting used to all the  lingo and stuff, so bare with me.
you can see here that there are two drive bands, since there are two grooves in the bobbin (or the bit that goes outside the bobbin)


but the wheel itself doesn't have two grooves, so I could easily get the jumbo flier for a SINGLE drive, no?



the price difference is huge: http://www.woolery.com/Pages/ashwheelsfr.html#ashfordaccess

ASH-T3011 - Jumbo Flyer / Single Drive... $77
ASH-T3012 - Jumbo Unit / DD... $132

So, i guess my question is: the only thing that MAKES this a double drive wheel is the fact that it has TWO drive bands... right?



Title: Re: jumbo flyer and bobbin help... is this really a double drive?
Post by: determinedimprovisation on November 11, 2007 03:38:17 PM
I think technically it doesn't have two drive bands, but one done in a figure 8, which makes the bobbin and flyer spin in opposite directions.  Again, I think.  I still haven't gotten a chance to get acquainted with my wheel yet, which is a double drive.  The real difference is how the flyer and bobbin are set up: http://www.joyofhandspinning.com/wheel-drives.shtml 

Since the jumbo flyer is a whole new maiden, you could probably get the single drive and rig up a tension brake.


Title: Re: jumbo flyer and bobbin help... is this really a double drive?
Post by: loudxmouse on November 11, 2007 04:24:49 PM
That's what I thought, but when she gave me the wheel she called it a double drive, which didn't make sense. thanks for the info!


Title: Re: jumbo flyer and bobbin help... is this really a double drive?
Post by: cmc_aust on November 11, 2007 04:32:42 PM
It's a double drive wheel as it is.  The "drive" part refers to what's happening on the flyer, not necessarily on the wheel.  If the flyer has two grooves as your's does, it's a double drive.

But:
Since the jumbo flyer is a whole new maiden, you could probably get the single drive and rig up a tension brake.

This should work :D


Title: Re: jumbo flyer and bobbin help... is this really a double drive?
Post by: AgentAlmost on November 11, 2007 06:16:26 PM
That's definitely a double drive wheel.

Though it does look like there is a brake band for spinning scotch tension.

The scotch tension setup is a little different than double drive and its driven by the flyer and not the bobbin like a dd and has grooves in the front with the brake band going on the back bobbin. The joy of handspinning site determinedimprovisation posted above will do a better job of explaining than I can.

It seems like you should just be able to use the scotch tension kit on the wheel and just move the mother of all back enough so that it's aligned with the drive band.

The only issue I have is that you're going to have to put both loops of the drive band into the same groove when spinning and I think that the grooves on a scotch tension may be narrower than those on the double drive flyer.

It may work just fine with the doubled up drive band in the groove but you may have to undo the double drive band and tie on a shorter, single loop drive band everytime you need to use the jumbo flyer, and then tie back on the double drive band when you go back to the normal flyer. You could also keep the other band hanging off the frame I guess so that you wouldn't have to tie and re-tie but I'd be concerned that it could get caught up in the wheel if you do so.



Also, unrelated to the bulky flyer issue, but about the pictures: it looks like yours is set up a little weird. I think you have the drive band loops going over both flyer grooves and the brake band on the bobbin groove.
If you want to spin double drive, put one drive band loop on one of the flyer grooves (the ones in the back) and one loop on the groove attached to the bobbin.
When spinning with a double drive setup, don't use the brake band.

To spin scotch tension, double up both drive band loops in one groove and put the brake band over the bobbin groove.

Ashford has manuals online if that's any help: ashford.co.nz



Title: Re: jumbo flyer and bobbin help... is this really a double drive?
Post by: loudxmouse on November 11, 2007 07:11:29 PM
OMG! thank you so much. It was spinning okay, but it didn't feel right. She set it up kinda wonky I guess.
hooray! much better!


Title: Re: jumbo flyer and bobbin help... is this really a double drive?
Post by: mullerslanefarm on November 12, 2007 06:41:33 AM
Where you put your drive bands determines your flyer:bobbin ratios.  You'll notice there are two grooves in the flyer and there are 2 sizes of grooves on the bobbin (one on each end).  The smaller groove turns at a faster speed. 

The faster the flyer turns, the more twist you'll get.  The faster the bobbin turns, the faster the take in on the bobbin.

Do not get the single drive jumbo for your double drive wheel unless the drive bands are on the same side.  I think single drive (and some double drives) have the drive band situated on the side nearest the oriface.  My Traveller's drive band is on the opposite side from the oriface (like yours) so you would need to get the traditional jumbo double drive flyer kit.

With the kit, you'll get new maidens, the jumbo flyer and bobbins and a maiden adapter so you can use your regular flyer and bobbins with the jumbo maidens.   



To spin scotch tension, double up both drive band loops in one groove and put the brake band over the bobbin groove.

And to spin Irish Tension, double up both drive bands in the bobbin groove and put brake band on a flyer groove!



Title: Re: jumbo flyer and bobbin help... is this really a double drive?
Post by: loudxmouse on November 12, 2007 01:54:22 PM
this is all SO helpful! hooray! thanks for all the info you guys.


Title: Re: jumbo flyer and bobbin help... is this really a double drive?
Post by: Kayla_Wte on November 13, 2007 08:35:07 AM
Trad double drives have the ability to turn into a single drive.  That said, there's really nothing on a double drive that you can't do on a single.  I like my single drive for that reason.  LOL! 

Enjoy your spinning!


Title: Re: jumbo flyer and bobbin help... is this really a double drive?
Post by: loudxmouse on November 13, 2007 12:52:12 PM
I would imagine it would mean less mucking about with drive bands, which could be nice.... now that i understand how i can change tension by flipping the bobbin and rearranging stuff it opens up so many possibilities though! almost more than i need.


Title: Re: jumbo flyer and bobbin help... is this really a double drive?
Post by: bananasplit on November 13, 2007 04:56:27 PM
I have the same wheel and have just been using it as a double drive.  The booklet says it can either go double or Scotch tension.  And, I'm afraid to admit it, I don't even have the brake band hooked up - don't know how or how to use it.  But I've been spinning just fine with the double tension.  It does seem a little tedious when it comes time to change bobbins, though.