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annalaura
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2006 04:42:34 AM »

I have been doing some screenprinting, but I am cutting out the stencils myself using paper.  I can get some pretty fine detail though.

I just got mine from Deans Art Supplies a few years ago and it was a total rip, I have another smaller one from a friend and it is nice having something a little smaller as it is easier to clean.

I am thinking of getting my dad to make me some frames and stretching them myself. I would love to do some photoemulsion, and have about 6 designs I can reuse.  The paper stencil thing is sweet and all, but it takes a while to cut a stencil out and then if they are REALLY complex they don't last long.

Here is one I did, some detail anyway.

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aliengrace
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2006 05:45:40 AM »

Hey!  Smiley Smiley I'm so glad there is a melb screenprinting thread!  I've started doing it as of 10 days ago with emulsion, and I've been through some adventures and a half, and still haven't gotten a working screen yet  Angry Huh

I second Jones Brothers as being really good. (03) 9359-3555. I got them to make me up a scoop coater to size for about half the cost of an art shop.  However, I have the catalogue here too I picked up last week, and the cedar 30 x 41 screen is listed as being 39.80 + gst = 43.78 *edit* 43T = 36.20+gst = 39.82.  Which I think is a little expensive *edit* not as cheap as you'd expect for a wholesaler.   I got my smaller one in yellow mesh only for about 30 bucks from Deans Art, 25 x 30.  Yellow mesh costs a little more, gives slightly sharper images when exposed theoretically but take about 50 - 100% longer to expose.  I'd choose white ideally.   Luckily for Jones Bros proximity I live in North Coburg so I just took the train and biked from Upfield station (and then biked home... Cheesy).  Great living in an industrial side of town. They do send things out, I believe, don't know what they cost.   Lots of different types of photo-emulsions. You won't get under a kilo for inks, but say, for a kilo, a standard waterbased colour is $10.80+gst, opaque waterbased is $32.55+gst.  Browns and black and white are cheaper in opaque.  They have lots and lots of schmancy inks to make me excited about printing on latex and leather and pvc and tulle and mesh one day when I get good.   And the rest!! Puffy ink!  Glittery ink! Pearlescent ink!  Extra shiny ink!  Glow in the dark ink!  Clear UV-glow-only ink! Ink for making crayon and felt-pen transfers!  Reflective ink (ooooh baby)!  Suede-texture ink!  Holographic ink!  (Wait, I have to calm down...)  Hate to think of breathing it all in, ha.

I have bought screenprinting stuff from this arts and printing supplies shop in Fitzroy, forgotten the name but it's about 50 Greeves St about next door to the Black Cat Cafe or whatever it is now.  They've got small amounts of waterbased inks, standard 300ml is about 5.75  Their loose mesh is nearly twice the price of Jones Brothers.  Friendly though.

By the way, I wasn't sure what supermarket degreaser to use to prep the screen, not finding the american brands + not wanting to buy the Official Screen Degreaser.  I used sugar soap, and given that my emulsion is chronically peeling off, someone on here suggested I use a different degreaser.  I'm now using "Mr M*scle GreasenGrime". Smells appropriately toxic. Anyone think that's not a good one?  I roughened up my new mesh with bicarb as well, to hopefully get a better stick too.  Or maybe my emulsion is bad.

Hopefully once I can get my images onto fabric oh bliss, I can then take them to market.  I make clothes and gee screenprinting is so value-added. My housemates and a few others have a loose little collective started up for selling crafts at market.  CERES and St Andy's.  Everyone I know wants in on the screenprinting altho they don't want the geekery aspect Wink.  Anyway, good luck for everyone.  AnnaLaura, I think yr designs are scrumptious by the way, I found you via the aussie_etsy myspace. Smiley  Does anyone on Etsy here sell in bricks'n'mortar shops too?

Well, off to expose yet another screen with test transparency.  Good luck me.  Oh yeah, my local expensive print shop gave me crap opacity on all my expensive transparencies, even two together isn't that great. And they don't line up *exactly*.  Anyone got a great shop they use for transparencies?  Or know a place for cheap positives (Jones Bros is $25/A4)? Or can recommend ink jet transparencies as being good? x
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Bond Girl
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2006 01:39:55 AM »

Wow aliengrace, thanks for your very comprehensive post! Wink

Do Jones Bros stock the Permaset range?  Or other paint ranges as well?  I really wan to find some lighter, paler colours but my local supplier where I've been getting my paint only has Permaset and the range is mostly dark shades, which tend to come out even darker than the samples after drying & heat-seating Sad

Am still yet to try emulsion.  Will let you know when I attempt it how I go!  Good luck with yours Smiley
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aliengrace
« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2006 01:49:48 AM »

 Wink verbosity is my middle name!  jones brothers has the Aquatex water-based range.  whole heap of other brands for solvent-based inks.  as far as I know, it's fine to mix different water-based ink brands.  at least i hope so, cos I've accumulated a mix.

*pulling out catalogue again*  hmm 36 basic colours for Aquatex in standard, opaque and puff, plus process (CMYK) colours.  also, they have 41 types of colour concentrates (a few ~ $17, most ~$30-$55, a few ~+$100, all 500grams) that you add to a base ($8.55 std $19 opaque 1kg).  i can't remember how far the concentrates go, but it's supposed to be pretty good value if you wanted to make a lot of ink in that colour, or do a lot of colour mixing, you create opaques by adding more concentrate.  you could buy a kg of white and mix it with your darker colours, or even get a white colour concentrate ($14.85).  i don't know the science of it.  this place also sells various additives to thicken, retard, fix to synthetics, etc all the arcane stuff.

now i feel i'm plugging the place  Lips sealed but good wholesale suppliers of any industry that will deal with the little fish aren't that many around, and these dudes seem to be okay.  i did a google to find them in a melb industry directory, i'm sure there are other places out there more proximate to the East.
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annalaura
« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2006 05:09:59 AM »

This post is so brilliant, so much advise all in the one spot!
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Bond Girl
« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2006 08:04:17 PM »

However, I have the catalogue here too I picked up last week, and the cedar 30 x 41 screen is listed as being 39.80 + gst = 43.78 *edit* 43T = 36.20+gst = 39.82.  Which I think is a little expensive *edit* not as cheap as you'd expect for a wholesaler.   I got my smaller one in yellow mesh only for about 30 bucks from Deans Art, 25 x 30.  Yellow mesh costs a little more, gives slightly sharper images when exposed theoretically but take about 50 - 100% longer to expose.  I'd choose white ideally. 

I'm on holidays again now so that means back to trying to get screenprinting happening!  I just went to Deans Art yesterday (in the city) and realised that those screens really aren't too badly priced...  So perhaps my dilemmas of finding smaller, reasonably prced screens is over.  But I saw the yellow mesh and thought what the hell is going on there?!?!
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crumpet
« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2006 03:30:15 PM »

I've been doing screenprinting at school this year -- I'm a printmaking student, and although it was my least favourite printmaking method (which surprised me), I got really good results and can see how it will be very handy for a lot of things.

All our screens were supplied, but we had the place in Campbellfield recommended to us as a good place to buy things.  I also picked up a small screen from Melbourne Artists' Supplies on sale for about $20 marked down from over $50 (and with student discount on top of that) in October -- I'm not sure if they have any left, or if they're still on sale, but Melbourne Artists' Supplies is a great store to shop at anyway -- they're on Little LaTrobe St, which is opposite RMIT Storey Hall off Swanston St.

We used a water-based screenprinting process -- I can't remember the brand of the screenprinting products at the moment, but I think they were Scandanavian.  We used this clear retarder stuff supplied by uni, and we could mix pigments with it to create any colour -- most of us used acrylic paint, but I think you could add powder pigments as well.  If we'd just used paint, it would have dried too fast in the screen and blocked it -- the retarder helped slow the drying process down, and depending on the ratio you mixed of retarder and paint, also altered the transparency of the ink.  I did some photo emulsion, but I also painted a screen filler directly onto my screen for most of my work.  We did paper stencils in the first week, but the screen filler was definitely a better way to go -- easier, less time consuming, and longer lasting.  I got some really nice effects with this using a reduction method -- I painted on some screen filler (very thinly, so it wasn't too hard to remove when I was done), printed one colour, applied more filler to the screen, printed in another colour and so on.  These are the prints I did using that method, although the black was from a photo emulsion -- I painted directly onto transparent plastic with black paint, then exposed that onto my screen.

I'l try and remember the brand of products we used and post here when I do.
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lixs
« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2006 04:23:52 PM »

I screenprint but I only have one screen... never tried the photo emulsion but would really love to. I never knew about that place in bayswater, Im stoked now! yay.
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« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2006 05:40:34 PM »

I wish I hadn't read this thread!  Angry I can't afford to get addicted to another craft! Grin
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crumpet
« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2006 09:17:56 PM »

Screenprinting is pretty expensive to get set up for -- perhaps you could try it out using someone else's supplies to see if you like it?
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