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tirididi
« on: July 19, 2004 09:39:01 AM »

ok, i had the idea of painting a couple making love, but in an sort of abtract way cause i didn't want sex being the main theme of the painting. but it isn't turning out so well. I started doing the sketch of the couple so I could paint them more easily, but I think it was wrong cause I mostly focused on painting them ... So now it looks like the second picture (it's not finished yet). Anyone has an idea for the next time I try this kind of painting, how I can sketch some guide lines that will not distract me from doing more an abstract painting?

Thanks

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« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2004 06:05:22 PM »

lol I'm not sure it could be classified as "abstract" (though I'm really no expert I have no idea) but I like it just the same. I love how it's more... not what you see... but what you feel... The reaction the viewer gets is more important than the persision of the bodies. I also love how you're like "what's that?... Oh! It's two bod- ..... Ohhhhhhhhhh!!"

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« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2004 06:40:41 AM »

Firstly, I'm jealous of your shading. I can never get shading right with paint when creating relatively small works.

Getting Abstracted

In art a few years ago, we had to abstract a detailed atwork. It was basically three steps

From your original and detailed drawing, you Simplify, Stylize and Abstract.

All you really need is coloured pencils and a sketch book or paper to plan.

Alrighty:

1. Find an image you want to work, or use as a reference. (It's easier to work from some kind of reference, but you can just draw a relatively detailed drawing of your own image if you like.)

2. Looking at your reference or previous image, simplify - sketch out your drawing, decreasing the amount of detail. Don't draw fiddly little lines or spend too much time on it. Try to use strong bold lines, and create definite areas, much like 'blocks'. Regarding colour, probably stick to only 5 or 6 colours, and fill in areas as blocks - don't try to shade or blend. Once you've finished this step, Put away your orignal image!

3. Looking at you simplified image, stylise - If one of your 'blocks' or lines is curved, exaggerate it. If an area is slightly angular, make it even more so. If two colours make up one 'area' seperate them. Once you've finished this step, Put away your simplified image!

4. Looking at your stylized image, abstract - Looking at the shapes in your previous image, manipulate them; move them apart, put them on an angle, re-arrange them.

Note: When I went through these steps at school, I was more happy with the sylized image, because it was more obvious what the image was. Just do what you feel is right. Go right through the process, and if you don't like the final picture, you still have the previous drawings!

Once you're happy with your layout, sketch onto your canvas with chalk (it doesn't show through the paint like pencil does, and voila!)

On your particular image, I just thought you might want to put in  pillows or something - just as something to actually abstract, rather than having random shapes from scratch. You might wanna do a few small (e.g 4 x 4 inches) sketches in colour pencils to see what you like.

Anyhow, best of luck, and I hope I've helped. Be sure to show us the finished product!! Cheesy

If you have any questions, don't hesitate Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2004 04:52:30 PM »

Firstly, I'm jealous of your shading. I can never get shading right with paint when creating relatively small works.

Getting Abstracted

In art a few years ago, we had to abstract a detailed atwork. It was basically three steps

From your original and detailed drawing, you Simplify, Stylize and Abstract.

All you really need is coloured pencils and a sketch book or paper to plan.

Alrighty:

1. Find an image you want to work, or use as a reference. (It's easier to work from some kind of reference, but you can just draw a relatively detailed drawing of your own image if you like.)

2. Looking at your reference or previous image, simplify - sketch out your drawing, decreasing the amount of detail. Don't draw fiddly little lines or spend too much time on it. Try to use strong bold lines, and create definite areas, much like 'blocks'. Regarding colour, probably stick to only 5 or 6 colours, and fill in areas as blocks - don't try to shade or blend. Once you've finished this step, Put away your orignal image!

3. Looking at you simplified image, stylise - If one of your 'blocks' or lines is curved, exaggerate it. If an area is slightly angular, make it even more so. If two colours make up one 'area' seperate them. Once you've finished this step, Put away your simplified image!

4. Looking at your stylized image, abstract - Looking at the shapes in your previous image, manipulate them; move them apart, put them on an angle, re-arrange them.

Note: When I went through these steps at school, I was more happy with the sylized image, because it was more obvious what the image was. Just do what you feel is right. Go right through the process, and if you don't like the final picture, you still have the previous drawings!

Once you're happy with your layout, sketch onto your canvas with chalk (it doesn't show through the paint like pencil does, and voila!)

On your particular image, I just thought you might want to put in  pillows or something - just as something to actually abstract, rather than having random shapes from scratch. You might wanna do a few small (e.g 4 x 4 inches) sketches in colour pencils to see what you like.

Anyhow, best of luck, and I hope I've helped. Be sure to show us the finished product!! Cheesy

If you have any questions, don't hesitate Smiley


 Undecided  hmm. I'm not trying to put down this technique or anything but don't you think the work might be more emotional and engaging if she abstracted  in a way that wasn't step-by-step following a certain formula? I don't know I just feel like when you are painting abstract it should be more free. For me art is the one thing you can do by your own rules and not be bound by instructions, ya know?   To tirididi: I think you should just try convey whatever emotion you were feeling when you decided on the subject matter of the painting. Make it sexy, passionate and sensual. I think you are on the right track! Maybe try and use warmer colors to show the heat between them. I don't know what I'm talking about....
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« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2004 01:54:33 AM »


 Undecided  hmm. I'm not trying to put down this technique or anything but don't you think the work might be more emotional and engaging if she abstracted  in a way that wasn't step-by-step following a certain formula? I don't know I just feel like when you are painting abstract it should be more free. For me art is the one thing you can do by your own rules and not be bound by instructions, ya know?   To tirididi: I think you should just try convey whatever emotion you were feeling when you decided on the subject matter of the painting. Make it sexy, passionate and sensual. I think you are on the right track! Maybe try and use warmer colors to show the heat between them. I don't know what I'm talking about....

I comletely see where you're coming from, and I do tend to agree. I guess it's just a learning process for beginners; This was in Year 10 art, where most people don't know how to draw something how it is, let alone paint something abstract,

I'm not saying it's the right way, and tirididi or anyone else - you don't have to follow it, it's just something I remembered that I thought may help - Iif it does, great! If not, then just disregard.  Lips sealed
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« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2004 09:27:52 PM »


 Undecided  hmm. I'm not trying to put down this technique or anything but don't you think the work might be more emotional and engaging if she abstracted  in a way that wasn't step-by-step following a certain formula? I don't know I just feel like when you are painting abstract it should be more free. For me art is the one thing you can do by your own rules and not be bound by instructions, ya know?   To tirididi: I think you should just try convey whatever emotion you were feeling when you decided on the subject matter of the painting. Make it sexy, passionate and sensual. I think you are on the right track! Maybe try and use warmer colors to show the heat between them. I don't know what I'm talking about....

I comletely see where you're coming from, and I do tend to agree. I guess it's just a learning process for beginners; This was in Year 10 art, where most people don't know how to draw something how it is, let alone paint something abstract,

I'm not saying it's the right way, and tirididi or anyone else - you don't have to follow it, it's just something I remembered that I thought may help - Iif it does, great! If not, then just disregard.  Lips sealed



That's cool. Just offering an alternative.
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« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2004 10:55:02 PM »

That's cool too.

I hope you figure something out, tirididi Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2004 07:35:45 PM »

Leave that one as it is, Its good and start another but use more colours in the background, possibly repeating the bodies.
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« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2004 08:26:06 AM »

You should also make yourself familiar with visual design principles. Understanding color, balance, and gestalt will help you make a visually interesting composition. Slides from a course I've been teaching on these (and other) subjects are available at http://portal.cs.umass.edu/fundamentals/ They'll be up for the next two or three weeks, until the semester starts again. And then slightly updated versions will reappear in approximately the same order on tuesdays and thursdays.
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« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2004 10:42:52 AM »

I do mostly abstract work.  I don't follow any specific process because art shouldn't have rules.  Some of the things that i kind of keep in mind though is to:

~Look at other abstract works of art- There may be a certain theme that you might like to encorperate in your painting.  For example, I like Dali's melting clocks and that has influenced some of my paintings of flowers and now they are melting flowers.

~Think about where the picture is taking place- If you were to make a picture of a person in the woods, maybe have some of the body parts slowly morph into tree branches.

~Alway know your color and shades- Especailly if you are trying to create a flow to an object from one thing to another, gradually go from one color to the next.  Always keep the light comming from the same direction.

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