Ladylike Lace Gloves- help please!

[aurelia615]

Ok, so I consider myself to be a semi-advanced knitter, but I just started crocheting and keep having questions.  I'm on my second project (the first one was the stripes and stripes forever scarf), and I'm doing the fingerless gloves.  Row 2 reads: Ch 1, sc in back loop of each sc across, turn- 23 sc.

Okay, so I got the ch1 part, and sc means single crochet... but it sounds like i'm doing short rows here or something, and i don't understand how you turn and then sc into the back loop of each of the sc's I just did... it made sense when i was sc'ing into the back loop of the CHAIN, but where is the back loop in the work i just did?  Any help is appreciated

[HeHa]

pictures make everything so much easier when you can't explain in person.
go to page 30 in the book where it shows the anatomy of a crochet chain. you turned your work in your hands so you're now going along in the stitches you had just finished. look at them from above and the stitches should look pretty much like what the front of the chain stitch in the book. just hook through the back part of the v shape (instead of the whole v) the stitch makes.
i'm not sure that even made sense. the back part meaning the side of the v facing away from you.

[mk_carroll]

HeHa's got it - check out those diagrams.  The idea is to get a ribbed fabric (you already know that in knitting, that's by alternating knit and purl stitches and working vertically; in crochet you do that by crocheting into only one loop of the chain, and work it horizontally).  You will also do some short-rowing in this pattern (although you aren't quite there yet); (I just got my copy of the book and re-read the pattern) You are short-rowing!  It's to shape the palm and wrist to give a nice snug fit, and creating the thumb will have you chaining off into space and then crocheting back on that chain (you could think of it as casting on extra stitches to create an extension).   

I'm trying to find the schematic sketch I worked up - the construction of the piece can be a little confusing, as you are going side-to-side.  I'll post it when I get my hands on it (this was all done last summer, so it's gotten a little buried).

[primashonna]

oh! I'm glad someone else is working on this project!  I love it, but I got a little confused, too...

[aurelia615]

Thanks for the help!  I thought it was short-rows but I wasn't sure.  And I was thinking the back loop was the "butt" of the stitch (as debbie stoller writes in the instructions), not the back loop.  Thank you so much!

[debacle]

Crocheting in back (or front) loop is explained on page 63.
Once you get past the chain, there ain't no more "butt" loop.
can't wait to see this project!

[primashonna]

Alright... here is where I am confused....

Row 4... I don't understand the 2-dc cluster across next 4 sts....

in row 4 before you begin the cluster, it says to sk 2 sts.
THEN in the cluster pattern, it starts with "Insert hook into same st as last dc worked.... which dc does it mean and where are the skipped st?
After that, I'm confused about the last line of the cluster pattern... it says to draw the yarn through three loops on hook, but I only have one....

I hope I'm making sense...

[debacle]

Yup, you're right, there's an error here (grrr).

I just spent some time testing the cluster rows out and here's my correction (will be on the errata page shortly):

Under special stitches, "2-dc cluster across next 4 sts" is clearer if it's called  "2-dc cluster across 4 sts" and should read (note missing yo):  Yo, insert hook into same st as last dc worked, yo, draw yarn through, yo, draw yarn through 2 loops on hook, sk next 2 sc, yo, insert hook in next st, yo, draw yarn through st, yo, draw yarn through 2 loops on hook, yo, draw yarn through 3 loops on hook.

Under Special Stitches,  "2-dc cluster across next 3 sts" is clearer if it's called "2-dc cluster across 3 sts" and should read (note missing yo): Yo, insert hook into same st as last dc worked, yo, draw yarn through, yo, draw yarn through 2 loops on hook, sk next sc, yo, insert hook in next st, yo, draw yarn through st, yo, draw yarn through 2 loops on hook, yo, draw yarn through 3 loops on hook.

Under Back, Row 4 should read: Ch 3 (counts as first dc), sk first 2 sc, dc in next sc  (counts as first cluster), *ch 2, work 2-dc cluster across 4 sts (see special stitches); rep from * across to last 2 sts, ch 2, work 2-dc cluster across 3 sts (see special stitches)—17 clusters.

Under thumb, Row 28 should read: Ch 3 (counts as first dc), sk first 2 sc, dc in next sc (counts as first cluster), *ch 2, work 2-dc cluster across 4 sts; rep from * across to last sc, dc in last sc —15 clusters.

[primashonna]

thank you!
I figured I was missing some yo's somewhere, but I couldn't figure it out... can't wait to get back to work on them 

[debacle]

glad that helped. you can download the correction (along with some others) in printable format here:

http://www.bust.com/knithappens/snbhh-errata.pdf

Them's are some damn cute gloves (big ups to MK,the designer on these). Can't wait to see 'em done!