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medusa
« on: December 28, 2005 06:19:21 PM »

Did anyone tried to knit the short-row hat by Véronik Avery?


http://www.interweave.com/knit/interweave_knits/web_projects/win_05/Short-Row-Hat.pdf

It is so difficult I have no idea how to do it...
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shellah
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2005 09:36:51 PM »

I hadn't seen it before (now that I've seen it, I love the hat, though!), but the pattern looks more or less straightforward to me. What specifically are you having trouble with?

For the most part, with short-row patterns you just have to trust the directions and follow them exactly. And it magically works out in the end. Smiley

Michelle
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medusa
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2005 08:31:30 AM »

hehe, the problem is probably me and not the pattern!!! I've been knitting since i was a child and it's the first time i'm having problems with a pattern, because I always try and try and try and try until I get it. For setting up the section A it says to cast on 40 stitches. At the end of section A it says to K11,[k2tog]6times, k11. How could we go from 40 stitches to 89 I havent seen anything about increasing... Other thing is on a transition, you need to wyf? I've searched the internet but couldn't find what it is. I think the magazine comes with an explanation, but it's an old issue and I don't have it... Any help would be nice! Thank you!
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Fozziebear54
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2005 08:48:26 AM »

I just looked at the pattern, and I don't see anything about having 89 stitches... As far as  I can tell, at the end of section A you should still have 40 stitches. (The pattern calls for 6 yarn-overs, and then decreases 6 times at the very end, leaving you still with 40.)

Unless I'm very much mistaken, "wyf" means "with yarn forward." I don't think the intent of that is to increase, it's just to wrap the yarn around the slipped stitches. So, before you slip the stitch, bring the yarn to the front of the needle. Then slip the stitch, and put the yarn back where it's supposed to be, without wrapping it over the needle.
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shellah
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2005 08:50:47 AM »

Yeah...Most of your problems are what I alluded to before--with short-row patterns, you just have to DO it and trust that it'll work. You're only working some of the stitches, then turning with stitches still on your right-hand needle, which makes things like counting the stitches in the pattern really difficult. I rather wish she'd included stitch counts on at least some of the rows so that you can spot check sometimes to be sure you're on the right track (I've been trying out this pattern since last night, because I have a scarf that would look pretty good with that hat...not sure I have enough yarn left though!).

Anyway...In section A, you're doing a YO at the beginning of every WS row, so that's where the increases are coming from. However, (and this threw me for a moment, too) the line you're referring to only works across 34 stitches before turning, not 89. She uses [] to indicate repeats, instead of the *'s we're more accustomed to (or at least I am!). So "k11, [k2tog] 6 times, k11" means you'll k11, then k2tog 6 times (not repeating the initial k11), then k11 again before turning.

Finally, "wyif" means "with yarn in front"--she's just telling you to keep the yarn in front when you slip the first stitch. I don't know whether you're supposed to slip knitwise or purlwise, though. I slipped purlwise when I got there. It probably doesn't make a huge difference anyway. Wink

Hope that helped! And feel free to ask if anything else throws you--for some reason, I'm really good at interpreting written patterns. Smiley

Michelle

(By the way, this pattern is from the Winter 2005 issue, but it's a web-only pattern so that's probably all the explanation there is--beyond the article on short rows in the magazine.)
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kwicz
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2005 10:58:18 AM »

You might try Tychus from the summer '05 Knitty http://www.knitty.com/ISSUEsummer05/PATTtychus.html
.  It uses short rows, but explains a bit better.  Then go back and do the IK hat; it'll make way more sense!
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Sera3125
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2005 07:45:19 PM »

On another note. I am thinking I might try this pattern also but would like to find a yarn substitution, any suggestions? I like the variegation but would like to find a yarn I can find in the US.
Thanks so much, in advance!
Sera
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starghoti
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2005 11:29:04 PM »

Like Sera, I'm looking for a yarn sub for this hat.  What are you other knitters using?  I think the original yarn looks beautiful and I wish it was available locally, or at least for less money.  Sad
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medusa
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2005 06:22:06 AM »

Hello everyone, I really appreciate the help i'm getting from everyone! It's really nice from you guys! I will try and try again, with all the new explanations I got from all of you, and I will also try the knitty hat, that I don't find particularly pretty, but in another color could be nice, just so that way I understand the short-row thing a little better. Thanks for the suggestion! About the yarn,  I'm using Red heart Symphony. The yarn the designer is using in not available localy + knitting with that kind of yarn is so expensive for a project I'm not even sure I'll end up liking and/or finishing! But I think I got the same gauche, so it should be ok, we'll see at the end! And I'll post pictures... Good luck with that project, and PLEASE if you end up finishing it, could you please post pictures of it, I would really love to see what you're doing! Thanks!
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shellah
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2005 06:41:13 AM »

Sera3125 and starghoti (is that meant to be read "starfish"? hee!):

The called-for yarn appears to be roughly worsted weight, at 240 yards per 100g. For comparison, Cascade 220 is 220 yards per 100g, slightly heavier than the Ami-Ami. I started mine with some handpaintedyarn (Malabrigo) merino worsted that I have leftover from a scarf. I have no idea whether I'm getting gauge (it's a hat, so I don't care so much--it'll either fit or it won't Cheesy), but it looks pretty good. The big problem is that I don't know if I'll have enough yarn...heh.

The hat is listed as being 18", which is a bit small for an adult, I think. (My head is more like 21"!) So if you err on the side of slightly heavier yarn, I think you'll be fine.
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« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2005 11:34:32 PM »

Whoops, I'm using SWTC karaoke (disclosure, I work for them, I had some lying around) and I did not swatch for gauge (end result, baby gets a new hat!), and I'm not having a problem with the instructions, it's just that my hat does not look exactly like the picture. My triangles are a little puffy and the decreases are (despite my best efforts) a little gappy. I'm not unhappy with the way it has turned out and I'm not complaining as I fully understand the risks of knitting without swatching, and I promise those of you who are anxious on my account that if it were a bigger or more labor intensive project I would totally swatch. This was just something that I thought would look good in a yarn I had on hand and the pattern looked interesting, ergo, nonthinking cast on in post christmas knitting stupor. But any thoughts on better short row technique would be welcome.
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kwicz
« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2005 10:16:59 AM »

The knitty hat is cuter in one color, I think.  I made a couple in Wool-Ease Chunky with Meg Swanson's knit-on I-cord edging (see pic, below) to get a feel for the shaping and keep the heads around me warm.  With short rows, I like to wrap and turn, then pick up the wraps as I knit back.  It's hard to explain without pictures, but it does eliminate gapitis.  Goodness knows my short-row shaping would be full of holes without that little trick!  Oh, I found a video on KnittingHelp.com, scroll down to find 'short row with wrap':  http://www.knittinghelp.com/knitting/advanced_techniques/ 

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« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2006 09:51:47 PM »

It's not technically finished (I haven't done the circle at the top) but I posted a picture of my IK hat to my blog
craftymama.blogspot .com

I did like three different techniques for the first time on this hat, and screwed up each one in its own way, but hey, I did end up with a wearable hat (if only for a toddler), so it's alright with me.
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medusa
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2006 09:05:13 AM »

Wow, I'm impressed with everyone projects and skills!!! Well, my first mistake was to try and make the hat with 3 colors. Wrong. Then I messed with the k11[k2tog]6 times. I think I was just trying too hard, I made that stupid mistake. But, I'm gonna go and buy some 3 colors  yarn and  I should be fine thanks again!
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bunicula
« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2006 06:21:54 AM »

I immediately knew I wanted to make this hat when I saw it in IK.  I just started it this weekend with some Silk Garden from my stash.   Unfortunately, I just found this post about somebody else who tried this and wasn't pleased with the result... http://purlywhites.typepad.com/purly_whites/2006/01/veronik_averys_.html

I'm going to push on with it anyway though..

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« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2006 08:25:21 AM »

I have deleted this post as I find it incredibly embarrassing to have said. I apologize and will be adjusting my medications accordingly. Thank you.
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urraca
« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2006 12:00:33 PM »

Medusa, I just finished mine. It fits beautifully (and I have a huge head). When worn, the losanges aren't puffy at all nor gappy (and when flat, they're hardly puffy anyway). My yarn has very long colour repeats, so I got blocks of several adjoining losanges in the same hues (which look closer in the pirctures than in real life), instead of just a couple of them as in the original picture, but I am pleased anyway.

My advice: As said before by others, just follow the pattern. It'll make sense eventually.
And save a bit of yarn in the same colour as the first triangles to knit the last two triangles, so as not to draw attention to the seam.



BTW, this blogger knit three of them in three different colourways of the original yarn:
http://knitstricken.blogspot.com/2005/12/christmas-favourites-2005.html
http://knitstricken.blogspot.com/2005/12/frhliche-weihnachten.html

Crafty mama, I fail to see the rip off. Lion Brand's is modular knitting. Veronik Avery's uses short rows (very cleverly at that).

Sera3125 and Starghoti, I'd advise Katia Mexico or Berroco Foliage as a subtitution yarn. I got gauge with a similar Italian yarn, but the colour repeats are too long in mine. Katia Mexico's are shorter so the result should be closer to the original (which has very short repeats = narrow stripes and, here, more variety in losange colours). Katia Mexico is cheap in Europe, not so much across the pond, I know. You'll need just over a ball (around 95m, a ball is 90m).

Kwicz, I knit two Tychus hats before that and even when I tried wrapping the stiches I still got holes (I think it has to do with the use of several colours on top of the short rows).
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medusa
« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2006 12:19:08 PM »

OOhhhh wow urraca , that is just soooo beautiful! I bought some yarn, not fluffy or anything, but long stripes of colors, I will see if I can make it... I'm sure I can with the right yarn... I have to say I'm impressed with your skills!!!
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« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2006 01:19:49 PM »

Alright, I retract my earlier accusation. It was rash. I apologize.
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irissch
« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2006 07:24:21 PM »

I wrote this pattern:
http://pages.e-yarn.com/6030/PictPage/1922210660.html
and it also uses short rows to mimic "modular" knitting.  Lion Brand's description does not really explain that.  That's the concept of my book Modular Knits.  I use short rows so that the same yarn can be used continuously from beginning to end without any stitches being picked up or yarn being cut.

Veronik's hat in Interweave is completely original and lovely in it's own right, with really clever construction.  My "lozenges" in the Mosaic Hat are on the diagonal, as are the setup triangles.  Hers are straight across.  So we both use short rows, but very differently.  She's a brilliant designer and her hat is very different than mine.  Just wanted to clarify this.
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kwicz
« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2006 10:28:03 AM »

Hmmm, my lack of holes in the Tychus hat might have something to do with how tightly I knit.  My short-row sock heels usually have tiny holes, though. 

I started and frogged the Veronik Avery hat because my yarn sub, "Yarn Bee Icelandic Jewels" from Hobby Lobby, is not really suitable.  Dunno when I'll actually make the thing.

Iris, I love your book!   
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