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« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2004 03:34:43 AM »

I think that this is part of the bad side to the DIY movement, EVERYONE wants to do it themselves and are forgetting that it takes TIME TIME TIME to develop and learn your craft/art.  I think the instructional book that Erin H suggested is a great idea (but be ready for Barnes and Noble style reading I think, ie. standing at your booth reading the book and putting it down)

If I saw a sign that said "No Photos" I would respect it.  Maybe people don't realize you don't want them taking pictures, so you have to tell them.  I'd put a sign out and then if they still didn't listen, I'd verbally point it out to them.  They'd have to have some serious balls to click a pic after that!
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« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2004 08:31:15 AM »

now this is as much of a devil's advocate thing as anything else, so please don't hate me...
i'm just reading over all the posts on this board and others, and so many of them are, like "i saw this at anthropologie" or "kate spade get real" and all about making things you see elsewhere yourself. 
i'm not saying these people are right to steal your ideas, i'm just saying that they probably, as eakircher said, just think of it as figuring it out and doing it themselves.  there really is nothing--or at least very few things!--new under the sun, after all.  if someone sees something i make and then wants to make it themselves, for themselves, then i think it's okay...it's different, of course, if they set up a booth across the way and start selling it!  and i do see, also, that kate spade is a little further up the food chain than we are...but, still.  the idea is the same.
that said, i would think a "no pictures" sign would be appropriate and reasonable.  people should see it and respect your wishes.
anyway, just my two cents--
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« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2004 09:25:15 AM »

how do you politely go about not divulging information as to your supplies (this is always a tough subject!!

I spend hours and hours tracking down cool stuff to make crafts out of and so I really don't want to divulge this info to people who might compete with me.  So if someone asks me a question like this at a craft fair I usually say in a somewhat joking manner that "it's a trade secret!"  So I've kept it light and jovial but also let them know that they're not gonna get that info from me and also a hint as to why.

But on the other hand, I've sometimes seen interesting components on other's people craft fair tables and if they aren't using them in the same way as I would -- like they use ribbon as trim for  handbags and I strictly make headbands out of ribbon -- I sometimes say something like "feel free to keep this your secret ... but do you mind sharing where you get your ribbon?" and I reiterate that they don't have to divulge this unless they don't mind.  So then it's up to them.

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« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2004 05:04:23 AM »

I make book purses and all sorts of other funky handcrafted jewelry and sell it at a local market each weekend.  I have had people tell me, "hey, I could do this with my old ties" when they see my tie bracelets.  My response is, of course you could, but do me a favor.  Buy one, see how I did it, and feel good for supporting a local artist. 

You gotta have balls when you're selling your stuff.  Too many other artists and craftsters that I meet at these fairs are wusses when it comes to selling.  They sit at their booth, and don't say much, and then get pissed when customers say or do something they don't like, but never take action.

Own your business.  If you don't want someone taking a picture, say so.  Put up a sign too, but be prepared to enforce and explain it. 

There are 3 types of sales/closing behavior, that can easily be applied to any time you have to deal with customers.  Aggressive behavior, passive behavior, and assertive behavior. 

So many people are afraid of being aggressive that they go all the other way to passive, which is not the way to make sales.  Be assertive, always polite, but stand your ground. 
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« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2004 01:06:50 PM »

If it's the idea-stealing that is the biggest problem, I don't know if this will help - but what about postcards of your work?  People would still get pictures, but at least you'd make a small profit and could have your info printed on the card, so that it could potentially function as advertisement and possibly be a reminder that the people who just want decoration ideas didn't come up with it on their own. 
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« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2004 09:39:17 AM »

I haven't gotten to the point yet where I sell my craft, but speaking from the point of view of a buyer . . .

I think the idea of selling postcards or instruction books or maybe even pre-made kits would be a great idea. That way you can still charge for your ideational content. I know that as a consumer I seldom end up buying the craft, but I would certainly pay for the idea and the chance to make it myself.
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« Reply #16 on: May 28, 2004 06:40:43 AM »

My advice?
not to worry, there's always gonna be people lazy enoguh not to make them.

And another thing, I don't know if somebody has pointed this out before, but the sugar skulls came way before you lady, so you don't even have the right to be mad, because YOU ARE THE COPY CAT to begin with, of course is a really old tradition, so you are no te really a copycat per se, but do the mexican artisans get angry at you and your skulls? no, why? because it is something out there for the people, is one of those traditions that belong to everybody... like many other things...

I would say (I don't know if I am going to far with this) but wouldn't it be really unfair if it was only you who had the right to make sugar skulls? wouldn't you be the one who is stealing from us? stealing the right to chose what we buy and what we make, in a way wouldn't it be like stealing a bit of our freedom?
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« Reply #17 on: May 28, 2004 02:57:03 PM »

I think the point is not that she doesn't want other people to make sugar skulls...  The point is, as with all handicrafts, like handbags, earrings, baskets, etc., all of which have been around for ages before us, we all have our own creativity in the things we make.  We might come up with a method that turns out something we've never seen before.  A handbag like none we've ever owned.  Earrings with their own special ring.  A sugar skull that has a personality all it's own.  Do we care if other people make handbags, earrings or sugar skulls?  No.  Do we want the handbags, earrings or sugar skulls those other people make to look just like the ones we make?  Also a big fat no.

I've been guilty of the "I could make it myself" syndrome for many many years.  My husband has never actually bought me a piece of jewelry because he has no idea what I like.  The reason he has no idea what I like is because I rarely by myself jewelry.  And the reason for that is that I see something at a jewelry counter and think "I could make that" and never do.  It comes from starting silversmithing when I was 14, and I just can't get over it.  I've always enjoyed crafts, or I obviously wouldn't be here.  And I've always enjoyed learning new things, and learning new ways of doing things.  I also have no desire to really make a business of it, but I AM guilty of not buying things from other people.  I dont' feel like I'm part of a "DIY Movement" because I've always been like this...

Anyway, I think posting a sign asking no photos and providing pre-printed materials is a great idea.  There is no reason why anyone should feel bad for wanting their own hard work and creativity to remain just that; their own.  Perhaps there is nothing new under the sun, and perhaps copying is complimentary.  But my personality goes into everything I make, and when someone steals that, they steal a part of me and make as if it's their own, and that just doesn't sit well with me.
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« Reply #18 on: May 28, 2004 05:36:47 PM »

I think it's entirely reasonable to post a sign/ask folks not to take photos of your work at a craft show. However, I tend to agree with Momo. As a Mexican-American, I have a lot of respect for the Mexican folk art tradition and the concept of 'people's art.' I don't think you can compare a specific folk art item as sugar skulls with purses and jewelry (which leave room for LOTS of variance). While someone's sugar skulls may be unique in some way, the fact of the matter is they were influenced by sugar skulls of other folk artists. That's the beauty of folk art  Smiley.

Again, I think it's entirely reasonable for Sugar Skull Lady to ask folks to NOT take pictures of her work. I think the people that want to copy her work exactly as it is are mostly cheating themselves out of the joy of interpreting a traditional folk art craft in their own way.
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« Reply #19 on: May 28, 2004 10:01:36 PM »

I think I could contend that jewelry can also be a traditional folk art, as with other crafts such as basket making, needlepoint, rugmaking, etc.  My point is, every craft, be it a traditional and/or folk craft or a mainstream, modern craft, IS personal for the one making it, and that person has every right to feel upset when someone wants to duplicate so exactly as to need a picture that which they created from their heart.  As I said, the point was not that she felt other people should not make sugar skulls, but that she felt other people should not make sugar skulls just like the ones she made.
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