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« on: July 14, 2005 02:23:18 PM »

i'm spinning with a drop spindle.  wooden toy wheel on dowel.  i like it.
i'm getting very very fine singles though.  i like them but . . .

i'm not happy with the way they ply Sad

so - my question is sorta two fold:
a) how do i spin bulkier yarns
b) how do i ply them together? i suspect i'm not getting enough tension or something in the plying process. (i plyed a bunch of fine singles bought at a $ store together before i acquired roving, and that looks fine though)
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« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2005 06:01:13 PM »

A)
To spin bulkier singles: draft less. For some it helps to have a weightier spindle with a larger diameter whorl, the additional weight will help keep back spinning to a minimum.

B)
Plying is typically done by spinning two or more singles in the opposite direction as the original spinning. So if your singles were clockwise, spin two of them together counter-clockwise.

Good luck and keep with it, there's a bit of a learning curve to spinning. Your brain will figure out what's supposed to happen long before your fingers do Smiley once your fingers decide to comply you'll be thinking "Why was this so hard?"
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« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2005 06:32:46 PM »

I agree, that advice is great!  Also, if you're working with roving, it may be easier to create larger, bulkier yarns if you rip off more wool when you're starting to spin.  Does that make sense?  I spin with the toy wheel on a dowel type spindle, as well, and it took a while for my fingers to co-operate, as well.  It will just click one day, though, trust us!
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« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2005 11:40:59 AM »

You can always draft strips of roving to a pencil thick diameter before even spinning, then spin without additional drafting (except where you join the ends) one trick is to take a bit of cardboard and cellophane tape. Spin until you have the right diameter yarn, tear off that piece of yarn (without letting it untwist) then tape it to the cardboard and keep it nearby-- voila instant reference card.
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« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2005 03:38:51 PM »

when your're using a drop spindle the best way to ply is with a navajo ply, that way you don't have to spin additional plys of yarn. a navajo ply is done by basically making extremly large crochet chains. when you're done spinning just take the last end and make a slip knot. then pull yarn back through and back though. you get the picture. and you don't have to mess around with more than one ply getting tangled in itself


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« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2005 10:28:13 AM »

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when your're using a drop spindle the best way to ply is with a navajo ply, that way you don't have to spin additional plys of yarn.

I think that's up to personal preference. I only use navajo plying when I want a firm triangular, compact, sharp (colorwise) yarn; in short-- almost never. It takes only a few minutes to make a center pull ball using either a ball winder or a noste (a fat pen body will work for a noste in a pinch) and from a center pull you can ply from both the outside and inner ends right up to the middle with no waste.

If you're planning on using your yarn the *best* spinning and plying techniques are the ones that are appropriate for the fiber and create the desired type of yarn. Remember the drop spindle was/is so perfect in design thoughtout human history that the flyer type spinning wheel was not invented until fairly recently (DaVinci sketched out the first known design for the spinning wheel flyer but it was not actually invented until later, the few other spinning wheels around were spindle type wheels that were specifically regional)
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« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2005 07:18:11 PM »

here are some lo-fi ways to ply on a drop spindle:

the fastest way that i learned to ply on a drop spindle was I:
- took two yarns, rolled them into balls,
- put them in bowls about two steps away from each other (so they didn't tangle up together)
- attached both of them to my spindle and spun them together the opposite way they were originally spun

another way you can ply on a drop spindle is andean plying.  this is how you ply using just one piece of yarn.  once you get the hang of the diagram it's really easy!  here's the link:

http://www.mielkesfarm.com/andean.htm

have fun!

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« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2005 10:16:53 PM »

here are some lo-fi ways to ply on a drop spindle:

the fastest way that i learned to ply on a drop spindle was I:
- took two yarns, rolled them into balls,
- put them in bowls about two steps away from each other (so they didn't tangle up together)
- attached both of them to my spindle and spun them together the opposite way they were originally spun

another way you can ply on a drop spindle is andean plying.  this is how you ply using just one piece of yarn.  once you get the hang of the diagram it's really easy!  here's the link:

http://www.mielkesfarm.com/andean.htm

have fun!



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