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« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2005 10:47:00 AM »

I think that the craftsters themselves have done a good job of titling their projects so that you know if they have adult content, and I thank you all for that. 

I also have not been offended by anything here but I do think that an adult themed board would be a good idea.  Then of course you get into the question of, is all nudity adult.  I don't think so but how do you tell.  I saw some beautiful tiles that were erotica themed and very adult oriented I believe.  My teens could handle that but my younger children would be better off not looking at that. 

I also am not opposed to having a password to view the adult themed items.  For those of you that got upset at this idea just remember that we all rear our children differntly.  some feel that meat is bad but nudity is ok.  And others are the other way, so don't knock the idea.  I was in fact wondering the other day when I looked at a craft how I would feel if my teenage daughter, who is a member of craftster, saw that project.  A seperate, password available board would keep me from even worrying about that. 

On the other hand, it is my responsibility to set boundaries for my children, discuss things that they see and hear and are exposed to so that they know how I feel about it, and to monitor what they are doing and seeing on the internet. 

So, in summary I think that 1) yes there should be an adult themed board, 2) it should be password accessable (sorry), and 3) not all nudity is considered adult themed.  (maybe leave it to the good sense of the craftsters themselves to decide, so far I have seen a lot of good sense and consideration for the sensibilities of others and I appreciate that very much.)
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« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2006 06:06:06 PM »

I also like the idea of an adult board. I am under the impression that there are lots of impressionable kiddies around craftster and a locked 18+ board would be a great idea.
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« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2006 06:11:13 PM »



THEY ARE HARMLESS CRAFTS!.

thats what i thought about the recent controversial roach clips. I know, i know in some places "its ILLEGAL!!!!" not the craft, the craft is harmless, but someone MIGHT use it for something ILLEGAL. To each his own I guess. I just think an adult board would cut down on the whining
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« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2006 06:32:46 PM »

From the vantage point of another parent, I feel it is not Craftster's job to mediate for parents who would rather let someone else make the important choices.  This is not pornography we're talking about.  It is nothing which legally requires an age limit to view.  It is only something that some people might prefer an age limit to view, and that is based entirely on how they view parenting.  

Well, since that's the case, I say let them enforce that rule on their own children.  That is what they are for.  That is what I am for in my own child's life.  I don't leave it up to website administrators to protect my child from whatever it is I think she shouldn't look at.  I resent it that some who don't WANT to take responsibility for what their children see are allowed to let that responsibility fall on the shoulders of others, like teachers, shop owners, website administrators, video game manufacturers, musicians and their recording studios, etc.

It is not the musician's fault that a child hears words they should not hear, it is the parent's fault and none other, and it isn't Leah's fault or the craftster who posts a thread if a child sees something their parents feel is unseemly for a child that age.  It is the parent who is unaware of or lax in their child's browsing habits.  Any child who is too young to see a crocheted penis is, in my opinion, also too young to be browsing the internet without adult supervision or at least parental controls of some kind.  They shouldn't ever accidentally see a crocheted penis if their parents don't think that is suitable subject matter.  And if they do, the parents have none to blame but themselves for not doing their jobs.  

Eh, perhaps I sound harsh, judgemental or accusatory.  But it's true.  Parents are more and more expecting other people to cover for their inability to govern their own children.  If they don't have the control over their kids or haven't instilled in them the values they think they should have, then they never blame themselves, but instead expect other people to modify the way they do things in order to protect their children.  And the more people bow to this self-involved, self-imposed view of parenting, the more those parents are able to do it, and keep doing it, and the less they ever need to actually do their jobs as parents.  Imposing an 18+ restirction on some material based on whatever criteria one might choose may not only disallow perfectly mature teenagers whos' parents have no moral outrage at crafts involving the human body from experiencing them, but it also allows lazy parents to get away with their attitudes.  And, as you can probably tell by now, I hate that.

I know people will still worry about what other peoples' children get exposed to.  Frankly, as far as that goes I'd rather worry about other peoples' kids getting exposed to domestic violence, poverty, adultery, etc., than worry about them seeing a crocheted penis.  It just seems a little trivial.  Some people think that if any parent might not be doing their jobs we should all do their jobs for them to protect the children.  I say that's a sure way to ruin.  I'm tired of good people with good ideas bending over backwards to accomodate half-hearted parents who then complain that society is going the way of the dogs without realizing the responsibility for THAT belongs to those who don't actually bother to raise their children, not the artists and atheists they think their children should be protected from (but god help us, not actually by THEM).
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« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2006 07:19:58 PM »

Lothriun,  I agree it is the parent that need to take responsability for their kids, and what they see online, BUT  When a kid is away from the parent  you acannot stop them and you can pull Craftster up at the computers at my high school, so yes we could be looking at crocheted penises at school, some of the software they use does nto stop from pulling up craftster, therefore  having a password protected could at least warn the system that inappropriate material is onteh site, for that fact you can get craftster at our library too, I pulled up craftster to look up the name of a book I wanted to check out, granted I did not see if I could open an 18 or older link but I am sure if I got that far I could have.

Yes, we will still have the fact that they can lie about their age to get access and I am not offended  by many of the posts, but I also don't want any of my students looking up how to make a boob or whatnot in school.
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« Reply #25 on: January 08, 2006 07:30:31 PM »

Lothruin I'm totally with you! Very great points you got there. The lack of responsability is what kills a society.
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« Reply #26 on: January 08, 2006 07:41:28 PM »

Ah, yeah. I have an "adult-themed" craft that I have held out on posting for a while because I don't want to piss anyone off. Its one thing to swear or to show a buttcrack or something, but my project is ADULT.
Everyone is making great points on both sides. I guess my standpoint is that I would rather have my kid looking at an adult-themed craft that was funny or silly than a porn site which is extremely easy to get into.
If craftster had an adult-themed area, I don't think it would prevent young people from viewing it. All it would be is: "If you are 18 click here- otherwise, click here to get rerouted." How many of us said we were 18 before we actually were? The only thing an adult area would be is damage control for the site and its adult-themed posters.
It would be good to segregate so people don't accidentally stumble onto an adult themed project when it could interfere with their religious beliefs or morals. But I don't think it would have much impact on the underage issues. If some kid wants to look at a boob, they are going to find one. And Craftster.org is the LAST website on earth that should be criticized for corrupting kids.
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« Reply #27 on: January 08, 2006 07:45:22 PM »

I thought we were here to create arts and crafts..
Not porn.

Anything on here should be classed as a craft and treated as such, we're all mature enough (well, mostly) to be able to handle a bit of nudity in the quest for our craftyness and crafty endeavours!

Oh my, is that a bit of leg showing on that "my first sock thread"?  OMIGOSH.

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« Reply #28 on: January 08, 2006 07:49:56 PM »

I agree that it's not going to stop any kid who wants to look. I'm not offended easily and I would like an easier way to search for those types of crafts. Plus, I think it might make for a good disclaimer. If Adult things are going to get posted and there's a section roped off for it which a big sign saying "Do not enter if you're not 18!" it would be hard for any parent to get mad that their kid looked at it, and it would cut down on the drama. And yeah, it's hard to draw a line. I guess that would have to be left up to each Craftster who posts, and if they're not sure, they can post in Adult, and then post a link to that topic in their normal section. Overall, I'm against censorship, but I'm also against drama, and I would like to find that stuff easier.
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« Reply #29 on: January 08, 2006 08:03:51 PM »

I'm just thinking about a project I did over christmas.. I crocheted a condom shaped object (by accident) and used self-regulation to not post the pictures on here.

If I had.. where would they have fitted?  Where do we draw the line between adult and child?

I saw a condom when I was 9 years old.. have pretty much always known what they were and what they were used for!

But then.. a boobie pillow?  Tutorial can be found linked to on the "thank you" page of craftster, in plain view for all to see!

I think we're here to create crafts, not pick apart what is suitable and what isn't.  I'm sure a lot of things could be taken the wrong way on here, it's just up to self-regulation about suitability I suppose!
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