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« on: July 07, 2014 12:42:47 PM »

Hi there I am new here........I have a question?........I finish felting  a 3d figure and I don't want to retain its cloth type because dirt, moist and other elements I want to protect it and I want to make it hard or stiff........we all know that if you paint cloth with paint, glue or acrylic the cloth will turn stiff.....so my question is what are the best to make this happens and to achieve my goal.......

and by the way my felted 3d object has only 1 color because after I achieve my goal to stiffen or make it hard (the first question) I will apply some primer stuff to make it smooth and will sand it then paint it (like I said I don't want to retain the cloth soft properties)................does this applicable or there are other ways to make it happen.


if you look at what I am trying to do is like what ceramics or polymer figure out there ( I know you will say just make it with polymer clay or use clay if you want some figurine stuff..........I just wanna know if my plan is applicable to felted 3d objects.....

thanks in advance
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« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2014 06:07:54 AM »

Hi,

I would say no and (as you predicted) I would say make it in polymer clay, papier mache or ceramics.

You could try making a test piece and see what might happen if you try to seal it. If you manage to seal it to your satisfaction, you would need to wait a few months or more to see what happens to it over time.

Wool will absorb a lot of moisture so if you are using a water based sealer it is possible that is will cause the fibers to swell and distort. Cloth is relatively thin so coating it with paint etc. doesn't significantly alter the drying time, but with a 3D fiber sculpture you could end up with the surface drying while the interior is still quite wet. If the surface dried completely it may become even harder for the interior to dry which may cause other problems. You may not ever be able to make the interior stiff/hard which then increases the chance that the outer layer (if it does harden) cracking.

Fiber isn't typically treated in this manner. If you want it so hard that you could put enough primer on it to be able to sand it - you've eliminated any reason for it to be made of fiber in the first place.

Good Luck with your project!
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« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2014 07:24:04 AM »

Hi,

I would say no and (as you predicted) I would say make it in polymer clay, papier mache or ceramics.

You could try making a test piece and see what might happen if you try to seal it. If you manage to seal it to your satisfaction, you would need to wait a few months or more to see what happens to it over time.

Wool will absorb a lot of moisture so if you are using a water based sealer it is possible that is will cause the fibers to swell and distort. Cloth is relatively thin so coating it with paint etc. doesn't significantly alter the drying time, but with a 3D fiber sculpture you could end up with the surface drying while the interior is still quite wet. If the surface dried completely it may become even harder for the interior to dry which may cause other problems. You may not ever be able to make the interior stiff/hard which then increases the chance that the outer layer (if it does harden) cracking.

Fiber isn't typically treated in this manner. If you want it so hard that you could put enough primer on it to be able to sand it - you've eliminated any reason for it to be made of fiber in the first place.

Good Luck with your project!


thanks for the answer..........about the painted cloth heres the example of what I am taking about if you have time to watch
probably around 4 and 8 minute mark you can see the painted cloth to stiffen it.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9GKEq-N810

for the felted 3d object it is hollow I felted it with a foil inside it to make it hollow after felting, I remove the foil.....theres enough opening for me to paint inside and outside to make it hard and stiff............the first layer of paint or glue or acrylic  is to make it hard so that it can hold the fabric then I will apply some primer which can be sand then thats where the base coat will come one of my goal is to prevent the wool from moist and absorbing water....I plan to use  alcohol or non water solvent (alcohol,thinner,reducer,glue and acrylic any one of this type)  for the paint to make it hard.

by the way thanks for the response it seems nobody have done this I tried to search the net about it and failed to find any answer..........hope anybody can join in and take their opinion about it or if ever  they have already done it...they can share the experience with this kind of approach.......

thanks
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« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2014 11:11:32 AM »

Having it be hollow will probably help. I'm not sure whether or not wool fiber absorbs other liquids (non-water based) in the same manner it absorbs water. You can probably run a quick test on a sample of similar thickness and firmness to determine that.

I still don't understand, given what you say you want to do with this piece, why you made it of fiber. It seems like you want to eliminate all the qualities of fiber so why not just make it from something like clay?? Maybe I just don't understand what you are trying to make.

I would be very interested in seeing photos of your project and to hear how it goes so do please keep us posted!!!
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