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« Reply #20 on: December 05, 2013 01:57:33 PM »

Thanks for the compliments, folks!! 
I figured I'd err on the side of caution, as there's a topic about rendering fat from animals for soap making processes, and they used the caution too. I'd hate for someone who really finds taking of lives, even of bugs, really offensive.
As to how it goes from oval to square, yes it does stretch. It kind of becomes a weird gooey mess if you leave them in the solution, and they become more and more difficult to work with, but they do stretch out.  they'll go further too, but that's generally done in the prepping for spinning(or knitting) stage)

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« Reply #21 on: December 05, 2013 02:13:14 PM »

How many cocoons did it take to get the hankie how thick?
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« Reply #22 on: December 05, 2013 04:13:04 PM »

So... this is how they spin fine silk thread? I ridiculously thought, I don't know why because this is crazy, that the cocoons were unwound then spun together into threads. I know silk has that lovely shiny sheen from being woven of very long fibers but I can't be right about how it's put together into thread for things like the vintage kimono my friend brought back from Japan for me...
Amazing process. So many creatures died for that garment, it's nearly unthinkable when you stop to really consider it.
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« Reply #23 on: December 05, 2013 04:47:06 PM »

I never realized that they had to die to give up their silk.
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« Reply #24 on: December 05, 2013 08:55:09 PM »

So... this is how they spin fine silk thread? I ridiculously thought, I don't know why because this is crazy, that the cocoons were unwound then spun together into threads. I know silk has that lovely shiny sheen from being woven of very long fibers but I can't be right about how it's put together into thread for things like the vintage kimono my friend brought back from Japan for me...
Amazing process. So many creatures died for that garment, it's nearly unthinkable when you stop to really consider it.

No. this method does not give the fine fine threads.  There is a method called reeling that I've seen in person that is simply amazing. They can find the starting point on the outside and get thousands of yards of ultra fine silk. It's insane.  And in 3.5 years, I get to do it!!!

I never realized that they had to die to give up their silk.

Not always, but the quality is higher, and the fibres longer.  You can get peace silk, but I don't honestly know enough about that yet to give you a straight answer.   Most often they do die. Not all of them, obviously, since there's still silk.  But it's like a lot of farmed products that come from a creature.  It's the dark and sad side of the coin of such things...
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« Reply #25 on: December 05, 2013 08:58:26 PM »

How many cocoons did it take to get the hankie how thick?

I had 48 cocoons, and I never did weigh them.  I still could, once the yarn is done, but I'll be honest, spinning these things is nothing like spinning commercial hankies. It's a real PITA.  I'm getting there, but have been avoiding the second bobbin because many expletives came out of my mouth while getting some silk thread onto the first.
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« Reply #26 on: December 06, 2013 09:58:15 AM »

It's slippery? It sure doesn't have the same qualities as a sticky thing like wool!
Interesting that they do unwind it. I can't even imagine the time involved in that. Makes you wonder how they can sell silk garments for as cheap as they do even taking near slave labour wages into consideration. It is such a precious thing, just unbelievable amounts of work. Wow.
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« Reply #27 on: December 06, 2013 10:14:04 AM »

Well, yes, in some preps silk is slippery, and really hard to spin. But in this prep, because of the way the fibres are all mangled together, it's really hard to draft, and kind of a royal pain in the patootie!!!   So much work that goes into silk garments, and time, and energy and little bugs.
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« Reply #28 on: December 06, 2013 12:15:26 PM »

I always thought silk worms just pooped silk thread Smiley. Shows what I know! Thanks for sharing this, Bella.
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« Reply #29 on: December 06, 2013 07:30:53 PM »

Well, that's more or less accurate, but these guys we get the fibre from 'poop' it into a cocoon form, in which they envelope themselves.  And then before they emerge, humans pluck them, kill them, and take their silk. The more I discuss it, the worse and worse it sounds! Lol yeah, the silk industry is a dark place for those bugs...
And you're welcome!  Glad to share Smiley
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