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« on: November 21, 2013 12:08:22 AM »

Hey there!
I was wondering about something.
I often make drawings and paintings. Sometimes with oil paints, watercolors and acrylics.
But these days also with Copic Markers, and noticed that people sometimes feel that it is less 'art' because of the material I used.

I myself feel that art is not defined by the material it is made off, but I wondered about this. In the end the image is made by me, comes from my brain. And it does not matter so much what I used to put it out there. But maybe others differ. I am curious about this Smiley

Do you feel artworks feel less as 'art' when they are made of Copic Markers or other modern materials, instead of for example watercolors, oil paint, acrylics etc?

Copic marker drawings, with sometimes details of white paint:

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« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2013 03:49:21 AM »

Gorgeous work!

I think some may feel it's more illustration based on the materials...markers aren't traditional fine art tools. I'm loving what you're doing & personally consider it art. Wink
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« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2013 06:44:52 AM »

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Do you feel artworks feel less as 'art' when they are made of Copic Markers or other modern materials, instead of for example watercolors, oil paint, acrylics etc?


Let me just say, that art is in your heart. Google the ketchup painter, and you can see that.
Here you go....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gvGDsIYrrQ

Art is what you like. And what you use? Entirely up to you. Don't think because you are using "kiddy toys" markers, {although much more expensive varieties with Copic, but I use the kiddie ones, too}, makes it less worthy of attention.

Eye....Hand....Heart. When you put them together, they spell ART. You have made some amazing creations. Very interesting to look at. And you are great with balancing color, too  Grin

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« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2013 10:28:35 AM »

The people who say that to you are called "Art Snobs" and/or "Control Freaks" and they are covering their lack of a creative vision by ob/coming about the materials.  I doubt you will find a single person here who thinks they are correct Grin...but I make art from trash, so I'm a bit sensitive about the whole Art VS Craft topic.
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« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2013 02:07:09 PM »

I agree with suereal, don't worry about the Art Snobs.  "What is Art?" is up to the artist.

In my big fat opinion!   Cheesy

(art snobs would have us only create in marble and oil paints   Roll Eyes  )
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« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2013 01:07:37 AM »

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« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2013 05:34:11 AM »

Art is not in the materials used, but you can definitely make lesser work look a lot more "artsy" by using materials that are more textured, or will "spill out". Doesn't make it "more" art, but people will react to the effects.

Also, snobs. There are many many snobs. Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2013 12:31:09 AM »

Who thinks that?!? Art is creating... no matter the materials used.

(silently wonders what those critics say about digital art)
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« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2013 01:29:34 AM »

(silently wonders what those critics say about digital art)

From what I remember from my dA days, exactly the same thing actually... Cheesy
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« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2013 08:20:31 AM »

Art is CREATING...I agree.

Boo to whoever says otherwise.
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« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2013 05:31:42 PM »

Doesn't make it "more" art, but people will react to the effects.



Which comes to the point of why one makes art - does one make it for oneself, or for others, or for reactions?  Or  all of the above? 
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« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2013 07:34:25 AM »

I admit it! I did it! I used to be a little snobby and skeptical about photoshop and things when they first starting becoming more popular! I just really like the feel of other materials in my hands, and like to be very hands on with art. I was also a teenager. ;P Now I'm smarter, though, and really respect and admire the work others do in photoshop and the like, even if I don't use it myself, which is mostly because I don't have it or a graphics tablet (or other fancy device that would let me make art with the way that I work best electronically) and also haven't learned it. Right now it seems like an intimidating learning curve to me, and also I just don't want to invest that way right now, time or money or brain space. Anyway, the point is, some people might think that way, but they can just get over it, and it's mostly a personal problem. Wink
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« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2013 12:33:22 PM »

Doesn't matter in the least and that's coming from someone who has never used a copic marker in her life  Wink  Seriously, art as an entire concept is a living, growing, and evolving thing just like law and religion.  These things are big things and they aren't supposed to be stagnant, even if the change is only within yourself.  I don't understand HOW things like digital art is art because I don't know how it's made at all (whereas with markers I at least have some clue) but I can still understand that it IS art even though I don't get the mechanics or the desire to make anything without using your hands  Cheesy  Hell, I did a lino cut lately based on an image that wasn't mine to begin with (I'm not selling it or anything, it was just for a swap) and frankly I found the lino cut itself - not even getting to the print - to be art.  In fact, I considered it to be art more than much of what I do, including painting  Cheesy

I guess I just think of it as the traditional art techniques and then modern art techniques; I like them both and I like them blended, too!

Seriously, if someone says that to you or challenges your work, tell them you make and that's all they need to know and then tell them to suck it.  Grin
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« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2013 03:29:27 AM »

Wow, thanks for all the replies about this question.
I can see that most here think very simulair to how I feel about it.
I loved something that 'stillatthetop' said: "Eye....Hand....Heart. When you put them together, they spell ART"
I think I will make myself remember that for ever  Cheesy I like it.

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« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2013 06:28:12 AM »

Of course it is art! The technique matters much more than the medium and everyone has their own preference.
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« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2013 11:34:35 AM »

I do not think it is less art at all.  I will say that my art talent has increased by leaps and bounds since I started using Copics.  I've learned a lot about shading, light sources etc.  it is no different than using watercolour pencils or crayons, just easier to have the colour families labelled.
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« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2013 06:38:29 PM »

IT is beautiful art. 
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« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2014 10:01:28 PM »

I think that art is art no matter what material you use. I personally adore Copic markers and judging by the incredible artwork you have put up here, you ARE an artist who creates gorgeous pieces of artwork that you should be proud of. You are awesome!
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« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2014 08:48:00 AM »

I agree with what someone said earlier, that copics tend to create more of an "illustrative" feel to a piece. But that deosn't make it any less of an art! It all depends on what kind of vibe you're trying to convey
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