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« on: August 27, 2013 10:28:13 AM »



I have this idea that may need quite a bit of tweaking... suggestions of any kind welcome!
I have been in a really bad place lately, emotionally. When I see others this way on Craftster, I wish there were a system whereby a bunch of us could each send this person one small thing they would love to cheer them up. I would really like to see this happen somehow. Not only does it lift the spirit to get some goodies (as a gift) but to see just now many people do care about you.
I do not know how this would work, but I do know it would be a giving system rather than a receiving system.
I guess it could be like the regular birthday list where you would post that you are in a bad way and would like this or that to cheer you. Of course, I am in hopes that there would be no 'cheaters' who are perfectly fine...
If maybe 5 folks could craft one small item for that person and send it?
I know that giving is a wonderful feeling. When I am down, to give to someone else in pain really helps lift me.
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And what on earth would we call it?
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« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2013 11:12:59 AM »

I think this is a wonderfully kind idea. I know I have been at some points of truly needing something like this & would love to pay forward the kindness people have shown me in those moments.

Maybe, to help make it a bit more swap-like, sending thank yous could be mandatory at risk of receiving negative feedback. That may help keep some "cheaters" at bay.

Also, one thought that has struck me right away is having a system in place that makes people feel very safe sharing what is going on. That some more sensitive topics don't need to be shared publicly or via PM with the Givers, though I think more detail would need to go to an organizer to verify a level of need & not just want.

I think it will be an interesting swap to find a balance for, deciding whose troubles merit a Giver, how many Givers, between allowing anyone to receive gifts & requiring hard proof of things (obviously the latter would not be preferred). But I think if these balances can be found, this would be a wonderful swap. Smiley

And if I may suggest a name somewhere along the lines of "Giving Joy."
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« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2013 12:27:49 PM »

It's a fantastic idea! However I don't really agree with the risk of negative feedback. This is a case where I'd be happy to send a bit of comfort regardless.

By the way so sorry to hear you've had a bit of a toughie recently Blu so sending you a big ((((((((((HUG)))))))).
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« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2013 01:17:08 PM »

It is a great idea!

I have sent some fellow Crafster a little pick me up when another Craftster shared her information with me or when I read about someone needing some Crafster love. I pm'ed the organizer to ask for an adress.

Maybe it is possible to get on a list when you have received something you needed and when you are feeling better you pay if forward to another needer? Just an idea...

If this isn't happening, please blupaisan let me know and I will happily craft you something! I know how it feels to be down and for me crafting helps, so you'll do me a favour too  Wink
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« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2013 01:18:39 PM »

It's a fantastic idea! However I don't really agree with the risk of negative feedback. This is a case where I'd be happy to send a bit of comfort regardless.

By the way so sorry to hear you've had a bit of a toughie recently Blu so sending you a big ((((((((((HUG)))))))).

I only mention the feedback suggestion because I've been a part of other online communities that have been burned many times by people coming up with made up illnesses, legal issues, general dramaz, etc. I'm not a cynic, but I'm guarded about good people being taken advantage of, so it was more to ward off the people who may take advantage of the kindness of others. I promise I'm not trying to be cold-hearted! I personally don't care about receiving a thank you, just the knowledge that I helped to brighten someone's day is enough for me. Smiley

Also, I was thinking about this while doing my errands for work, & this may be way beyond the scope of thoughts right now, but before I forget it, would this swap be best assigning people to give to someone, or letting people choose who to give to?
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« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2013 02:11:15 PM »

I love this idea... That's my two cents so far, but this way I can keep track of this topic, and add more when I'm up for it.
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« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2013 02:51:23 PM »

Painted, I know how you feel there....you should see some of the looks I get when I tell em my mother is in egypt to be with her son who's technically been parentally kidnapped and held for a visa.... though egypt doesnt see it that way...the u.s sure does...but i suppose thats the way the cookie crumbles *shrugs* because of that situation, i'll be missing my baby brother's 2nd birthday (missed his first too) and my mom for the first time in my life, wont be here for my birthday either... kinda depressing but hell im 22 gonna be 23, my brothers would probably laugh at me if i cried over mom missin my birthday XD

and my thoughts on the swap, why not have people choose... kinda like, everyone who's havin a bit of down time, post up i suppose what they are willing to post up, and let people choose who they send to kinda like the birthday swaps...i think that might work best cause i dunno bout anyone else, but people with certain types of problems i'm just drawn to, to try n make things better even if its just moral support... but thats just me n i'm weird >.>

And blu, I definitely feel ya there...since my mom started going to egypt and married her husband, my whole life has been turned upside down (sounds weird I know considering my age...but I live with my mom n my brothers...and I've given up my wedding for the past 3 years to try and help her and it seems like its never gonna end!) some days are worse than others, some days arent half bad....but sometimes people just need a little extra love to really get back into the swing of things
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« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2013 04:00:35 PM »

I am so up for this. Nothing would make me happier. I have some thoughts on how it might work. Maybe it could be anonymous if people were shy about signing up. They could write to the organizer and the swapper could just send to Craftster c/o their address.  (Just an idea.)
I am not too worried about cheaters. If someone feels they would take advantage of such an offer, then I think they need the kindness as much as anyone. And the items would be small, right? I don't think there is much of a risk there.
We could have a different organizer each month that receives the requests and forwards them on to volunteer "givers." I imagine that the givers would make something they could make multiples of so they would have them ready to go when needed.
The givers could post pictures and relieve the needers of that responsibility.
I would like to hear what others think.
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« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2013 05:20:09 PM »

so it's technically like a RAK (random acts of kindness) group?

I know there is a group like this on Ravelry, where folks post wish lists (and sometimes
a bit about what's going on in their lives) and then anyone who feels a tug at their
hearts gets the address from the group leader (or the person who posted the wishlist)
and mails a little RAK pkg.

The only thing is I'm not sure this would fit the Craftster swap guidelines....
the closest thing would be the Givers & Needers swap, right? So maybe having
the recipient of the RAK send a thank you card would meet the guidelines? 
Just thinking out loud here --
I do like the idea, just not sure how to set up the details   Undecided

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« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2013 09:55:09 PM »

I think this is a sweet idea and I would sign up to be a sender
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« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2013 11:05:00 AM »

I'd sign up as a sender too! And since we are talking about a small, it isn't that expensive to send (I live in Europe).
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« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2013 11:21:05 AM »

I love your Idea so much, "Craftsunderground" It sounds wonderful & I'd be a sender for sure!!   Wink  Small items would be easy to make!
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it's kind of a good karma swap...you send someone something sweet and get back all that good karma! I would totally be into this
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« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2013 05:52:48 PM »

I would totally sign up as a sender!
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« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2013 07:40:21 AM »

I love this idea too! Everyone needs a little pick me up now and then when things are going rough. I've got a lot on my plate as well but since you're thinking of sending smalls, I would love to be a part of this.

I agree with sending a thank you letter/note, etc...just to keep close to the swapping rules. Also love the idea of care package. Also, if the receiver wants to remain anon, have the sender or mod post pictures for them.
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« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2013 08:50:54 AM »

What a great idea.  I have been having a rough few months myself and I know some other craftsters who are having a rough time too.   Instead of posting a wish list (cause I would feel weird asking people to send me specific stuff) we could do something along these lines http://lesliesartandsew.blogspot.com/2012/08/hope-heart-kits.html
It could be a real swap where people sign up to be either senders or receivers or both, like the birthday swaps, but instead of lists everyone gets assigned to send like 3 hearts to 3 different people.  If someone is just a sender then they should get a thank you note back back.

Does that make sense?
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« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2013 10:47:32 AM »

Great idea, but i'm not sure how many folks here would come forward and actually say the are so down they want a pick me up. The past year leading up to my mother's passing was pretty much the worst year ever but I don't think I would have ever come out and said I wanted someone to send me something to cheer me up. What do you think of anonymous nominations of people who deserve a little something to help them through a rough time?
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« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2013 10:55:09 AM »

I think this is a great idea, could be set up a long the lines of the swap angel.

The person can post they are feeling blue or down or whatever, or another person can post for them looking for a feel good package.

I think those that wish to be senders can be put on a list and as the need comes they can be called up to send out the good energy.

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« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2013 02:33:14 PM »

Remember, unconditional swaps are not allowed.

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« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2013 02:39:59 PM »

Remember, unconditional swaps are not allowed.

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« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2013 02:49:43 PM »

That is exactly what I was thinking. Oh well. All of our good intentions will have to find another outlet.

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« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2013 02:51:56 PM »

Not at all personal. Those rules have been in place since September 2009. We have had issues in the past with that kind of format.

I'm sure you all can come up with some other viable option. Smiley
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« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2013 03:01:10 PM »

It's always fine to send someone something as a personal swap without expecting anything in return! If you have a Craftster friend who is down, ask them for their address and surprise them with something nice. We just can't sponsor an ongoing, organized swap of this sort. Smiley
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« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2013 03:15:23 PM »

This may seem silly but what if we do an anonymous swap where the gifts are wrapped, pictures are posted anonymously by the organizer/moderator, and submission of photos and receipt of a package by each member qualifies someone for positive feedback.  Then each participant can simply keep their package until they are having a difficult time.  Then they could open their package (which they wouldn't know what they were getting until they opened it) and share how it made them feel.

I think that's a dumb idea and probably doesn't really serve the purpose but I'm not sure how else to do it in line with the rules.  But I think the initial idea is really great and I totally hope we can find a solution!
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« Reply #24 on: August 29, 2013 03:27:18 PM »

This may seem silly but what if we do an anonymous swap where the gifts are wrapped, pictures are posted anonymously by the organizer/moderator, and submission of photos and receipt of a package by each member qualifies someone for positive feedback.  Then each participant can simply keep their package until they are having a difficult time.  Then they could open their package (which they wouldn't know what they were getting until they opened it) and share how it made them feel.

I think that's a dumb idea and probably doesn't really serve the purpose but I'm not sure how else to do it in line with the rules.  But I think the initial idea is really great and I totally hope we can find a solution!

I don't think that's a dumb idea, but I do think it would be a nightmare to organize and still ultimately not fit the rules. I definitely think something like this would be best via personal message.
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« Reply #25 on: August 29, 2013 03:33:32 PM »

It could be done as a standard swap called Caring Package or something and partners craft a little pick me up package for each other....
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« Reply #26 on: August 29, 2013 03:35:35 PM »

Well that's what it sounds like it needs - rather than be an official swap, someone who was willing to volunteer their time could just keep a list of everyone who has expressed a willingness to contribute.  Then when someone contacts that person (whether for themselves or another member), they send out a message to the top person or two on the list.  When someone contributes, they can do so once and then opt out or if they're willing to do it again later, they get moved to the bottom of the list.  And if anyone on the list just isn't able to do anything at the point they're contacted (due to schedules, finances, etc), the organizer would just send the message to the next person on the list.

Does that make sense to other people?

It would mostly take some time by the organizer and people would have to be genuinely willing to contribute without any strings attached.  But if people are willing to do so it can just be an internal network rather than an official swap, right?
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« Reply #27 on: August 29, 2013 06:24:07 PM »

There was a swap along those lines awhile back...the avatar for it was a sea of smiling happy faces and one sad one.  I think the term "pick me up" was used in the title, or at least some of the words.
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« Reply #28 on: August 29, 2013 06:44:26 PM »

Here you go: http://www.craftster.org/forum/index.php?topic=361793.0#axzz2dPd7hUTj
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« Reply #29 on: August 30, 2013 07:07:54 AM »

Since you mentioned in your first post that sending cheers you up as much as receiving, you could organize some kind of "I haz a sad, let's cheer each other up" swap. Just a thought.
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« Reply #30 on: August 30, 2013 07:15:46 AM »

I have no useful thoughts on how it would work, but would love to be part of it, as both a sender and a receiver..this has been one sucky sucky year for me...and I got a random package in the mail from waggonswest a few weeks ago (I did send her something in return, because I wanted to, rather than her expecting it)...and it really really did cheer me up. There is such love and joy in a small item that someone has made to cheer you up that it would be wonderful if we could find a way to make this work
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« Reply #31 on: August 30, 2013 07:34:47 AM »

we do have the angel swap type thing where the person sending knows they will not get anything in return, they do it just to help another not feel left out.

I know it would be a lot of work for the persons running it. i feel it would be worth it and offer to help keep a list, keep the forum moving a lot whatever needs to be done.

I spreadsheet of sendings and the same moving from top to bottom would be an easy way to do it.

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« Reply #32 on: August 30, 2013 07:40:46 AM »

What about doing something like an ongoing "fits in an envelope" swap where you craft a small flat item (card, atc, inchie house, whatever.) If you wanted you could pair it so that one person is the receiver of the cheer-up envelope and the other receives a thank you for cheering me up envelope.
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« Reply #33 on: August 31, 2013 05:57:23 AM »

I very much appreciate all the interest in this subject and for those who are expressing a desire to make it work. It is so refreshing to see how many people care.
I guess I was hoping it would be a simple thing and suddenly we seem to have complications. So if I am not posting frequently (since I started this thread, that might be expected) it is because I am just plain  exhausted, overwhelmed, frozen, etc. about complications. I am really not in a good place just now emotionally and find it difficult to deal with multiple problems.
Just sooo many crises in my life all at once and when it was put to us that it would be an illegal swap, I just threw up my hands and thought 'see, nothing works in this life anyway, there is always something that comes along and stomps on a little seedling of hope.' That is not creative or healthy or good for problem-solving in general, I know, but it is where I am just now. Hopefully that will change.
I have good days and bad days and that may be reflected in posts that sound very different from eachother. Rather, I have so-so days and Hellish days.
I will hang in there, try not to abandon this idea, try to be open to everyone's ideas, and especially everyone's drive to make it work somehow.
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« Reply #34 on: September 01, 2013 09:52:54 AM »

Since we are having difficulty making this happen as a swap, maybe we should take it off the boards. I think this should qualify under "Crafting for Good and Not Evil" and fits within Craftster rules. I would appreciate your thoughts.

We have at least a half-dozen people who want to help, but we can't seem to fit the swap rules. Let's handle it through PMs or email. I would be happy to be the "organizer". I recognize that it was Blupaisan's idea, but she seems to have a bit too much on her plate at the moment, so I am just offering. The "Givers" could make 6? small, fit-in-an-envelope, tokens of cheer (such as a card or note, ATC, felt heart, badge, TM patch, pendant, or bookmark) and send them to the organizer. That should give us a good supply. The Givers will also be asked to be "spotters." When someone spots a Craftster who seems to be in need of a pick-me-up (Needer), they will PM or email the organizer, who will send a PM to the organizer of the swap the Needer was posting in and ask for the Needer's address or ask the organizer to forward the gift.

This would require a small outlay of cash on the part of the organizer for postage (this is one reason why the gift must be small enough to be mailed in a regular envelope.) If this is a concern, we could rotate the organizer responsibility. I know that I regularly spend quite a bit on postage for swaps, so this seems very small by comparison.
We could include a note that explains that it is not a swap and if they want to post pictures, they should post in the personal gallery.
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« Reply #35 on: September 01, 2013 11:35:08 AM »

No organizer should EVER give out the address of anyone without their permission! This is for everyone's security and safety!! Swappers sign up for swaps trusting that only the organizer and their partner(s) in the swap will have access to their personal information.   

The second issue I see is that Craftster rules don't allow items to be sent to one person to be redistributed to others. Unfortunately, before this rule was instated, we had issues of people receiving goods and sometimes even cash, and then disappearing. We do not allow swaps of this nature, and would not sanction this scenario.

It may seem that as moderators we are just trying to throw up roadblocks to helping make people happy, but hopefully you understand that we are trying our best to protect our members.

I think your best bet to make this idea work is to be aware when your friends on Craftster could use a little pick-me-up, ask them if they'd mind if you sent them something, and then have them give you their address. If you want a more organized method of sending in place, run a swap either like the Givers and Needers, where people sign up if they wish to receive a little something, and then are responsible for sending at least a thank you note back, or host a "pick-me-up" swap where swappers are partnered up and send to each other.
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« Reply #36 on: September 01, 2013 11:43:52 AM »

I don't think you are throwing up roadblocks, Rackycoo, and I appreciate your advice. I tried to respect the rules, but you brought up some points that I had forgotten even though I have read the rules more than once; that's only one of many reasons why we need and appreciate moderators.
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« Reply #37 on: September 01, 2013 01:13:50 PM »

Thank you, mods, for keeping us on track. I know it cannot be easy to post what you do, knowing that you are doing some general squashing, for lack of a better term. No matter what happens with this idea, we WILL adhere to Craftster rules and continue to work on this in a respectful manner.
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« Reply #38 on: September 01, 2013 01:57:35 PM »

Thanks for your understanding, and for recognizing that we're not simply "squashing" for sport!  Smiley
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« Reply #39 on: September 22, 2013 09:28:05 AM »

i really do love this idea, and as another craftser having a bad year, i see both the hope and love in it, and understand the "squashing" for lack of a better word, but i guess that's why we comment all over the place and 'talk' to each other, for that community feeling.
if there is ever a way to do this, i would be there 100% both as a sender and receiver, as i understand both sides of the coin. one of the things i wonder about though is what if like me, we are all more 'supportive acquaintances' but not actual friends? i saw the thread and felt the need to put in my two cents as well. any ways hugs to you all, those having a bad time right now and those who love us having a hard time.
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