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« Reply #250 on: November 02, 2013 09:10:21 PM »

Hi everyone, I have a supply question for y'all.  As I have been observing the cards everyone makes (and even been lucky enough to receive some from really talented artists), I've realized that a lot of the cards I admire most seem to be done in art marker.  I noticed that some people in the thread have mentioned copic markers before, so when I went to Michaels today with a 40% off all art supplies coupon, I figured I would pick some up.

Yowza!  The copic markers I saw were $50 a 6-pack, or $8 individually.  (And to top it off, I am pretty sure the coupon can't even be used on copics.)  So after standing befuddled and a little defeated in the marker aisle for about 5 minutes, I threw some stuff into my basket and headed to the register.

After getting home and initially experimenting with the supplies I bought, my feelings were mixed at best:

24 pack Pentel Arts Color Pen Fine Point Color Markers: this was the most expensive thing I bought, and I kinda feel like it was a waste of money.  Cry It seems like they do not flow very well at all, and it is hard to shade in areas with them.  If I use a lot of pressure, the ink blots very dark, and if I try to use broad strokes with a light touch, the shading lines are very obvious.  (I apologize for not using the correct terminology, I have no art training whatsoever.)  Worst of all, if I go over the same area two or three times, the paper of my ATC blank starts peeling up underneath the marker.  While trying to brush some of the peeling off, one section actually came off and revealed white underneath.  Uggh.  Is this a bad brand of marker, or do I just have no clue what I'm doing with them?  Thank heavens I got them for 40% off, or else I would've really felt gypped.

12 pack Artist's Loft Dual Tip Brush Markers:  The brush tip on these gets waaay better flow and coverage, so I like these better than the Pentel.  My problem with these is that all the hues are super bold, and with only 12 colors, it's going to be hard to do anything subtle with them.

Faber-Castell PITT artist pens (one fine tip, one brush) in black for outlining: these seem like good products.  I especially like the brush tip one.

So, do you y'all have any suggestions/recommendations for brands I should be looking for?  What products you like to use?  Or advice on how to best use the stuff I've already purchased?  Thanks in advance for any tips you can share with me.
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    « Reply #251 on: November 03, 2013 01:19:41 AM »

    I was lucky to get a set of markers for my birthday this year. My husband didn't make a big secret of it, and we looked at all kinds of markers and review videos on youtube together before deciding on Delta Markers. The set with 120 Markers was priced at around  140  ( appr. $190). LOTS of money. But I'm glad to have the complete set, since you need the right nuances for shading properly. The Delta markers are a European brand (I think), but I'm guessing there are cheap alternatives to the Copics in America as well. The pens I bought have a fine tip and a broad one. Since getting them, I have started filling out my collection with a few Copic Ciao pens, for a few colours that are missing in the Delta collection. (The Ciaos are cheaper than the Copic sketch, and they have the brush tip as well). I don't think the Copics are better or worse than the Deltas... they are different. I love the fine tip on the Deltas, but the brush tip is also very useful. I think it's a question of personal preference. Copic pens however have the range of colours no other brand (that I know of) offers though.... though choices.

    One tip I can give you is to try different sort of papers. I got a paper pad which was supposed to be special for Alcohol markers... and it sucks! Can't work on it for my life! The ink clumps and sort of pushes itself around on the paper (can't describe it any better... it's weird!)
    You need paper that doesn't absorb too much with a smooth surface (water colour paper makes the pens bleed out a lot... I made that mistake as well on the scarecrow card I made a while back if you remember it..? ) I am using a normal sketch pad atm, and a notebook that I got at IKEA (!)

    I know that you can get the Copic ciaos here in colour coordinated sets sometimes (and I bet from other companies as well). I would recommend sets like that to start you up with matching colours (like skin tones, blue or grey shading colours etc.) The mega set I got is cool... but I haven't used a good third of the pens even once, and to be honest... I don't know when I'll need the tons of pink hues included  Roll Eyes
    (TIPI use the warm grey and the cool grey scales A LOT though! They are also good for shading almost any colour)

    And my last tip: Practise! It takes time to get friendly with the pens. Don't start of with your absolute favourite sketch - it will be ruined!  Cry
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    « Reply #252 on: November 03, 2013 07:33:52 AM »

    I am sure that it shows that I use mainly sharpies and colored pencils in my ATC's. I am always trying to get the ultra thin line pens, too. This is how I rate the amateur pens:

    Bic Mark-it set- Cheaper than the Sharpie set by half, bleeds like you would not believe. If you need an effect that includes a little spreading of the color, they work for that.

    Sharpie set- I got the standard colors set for $12. Was more than worth it.

    Sharpie metallics pack of 3: Bronze, Gold, Silver. The bronze is like a rose gold, so it's good for Victorian Steampunk. The silver is great for metallic silver or steel, and I use it in places where I just want it to look like some metal showing through. The gold is kind of bright, and there isn't much to do to tone it down. But it works for really shiny gold.

    Fine line black outliners:

    Sharpie ultra fine: It's ok if you don't mind some bleeding.

    Sharpie ultra fine paint pen- Very bold, very dark. Lines stay fine though. Not good if your hand shakes.
     
    Bic fine line marker- way too bleed-y, makes it into a thick line.

    My absolute favorite: Paper Mate felt tip. They are not as easy to find, and once one of mine goes dry I am really bummed. I see they have online an entire set of colors, I might have to just buy a set. Very easy to control, even if your hand shakes. Very fine lines, no bleeding. Lasts a pretty long time.

    I recently bought some antique drawing pens with nibs, and I hope to try them out one something soon.

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    « Reply #253 on: November 03, 2013 10:54:09 AM »

    I don't use markers very often, but I do have a set of Faber-Castell PITT artist pens and I really like them.   Smiley
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    « Reply #254 on: November 03, 2013 06:21:12 PM »

    I use ultra fine Sharpies. I think they are about $30, but you can use the coupon. I'm impressed at how long this set has lasted. I feel like I've had them forever. I've hinted (big time) that a new set would make an awesome Birthday/Christmas present.
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    « Reply #255 on: November 04, 2013 07:37:47 AM »

     I have to say I am a Copic whore, so remember that when you read this post.  Wink I prefer those to any other marker just for their amazing quality and variety of colors. They do cost a lot, but SO worth it if drawing and rendering is what you really enjoy doing.
     That being said, have you looked into PrismaColor markers? They now have the brush tips that I find a complete must have. And you can get those at Michaels and use the coupon or find them on sale periodically. They would be my runner up for markers. I have never used the Delta's so I can't comment on those. Are they alcohol based?
     As for paper, I have used the markers paper but find I prefer the "manga" paper or Comic paper. It will let you blend, no bleading, no peeling. Love that stuff. It has a good thickness to it but use the correct side! If not it tends to streak easier.
     If you're getting streaks, use (or get) a colorless blender if it's available in the markers you chose (and I wouldn't chose a brand without one). Just remember, it's an eraser! It blends by removing.
     I have to agree with Cosmicgirl. Get a good gray scale set. Even if you don't have the exact color to shade with you can use the gray's. I have a fondness for grayscale anyway and tend to just do those and I am happy.
     And my last bit of advice, layer, layer, layer. Don't be afrais to layer. I need to do that more and I tend to stop myself when I know I should do more.
     
     PS. Love the word befuddled vincentvanbuck. I use it all the time, one of my favorite words! It's so fun to say!!!!  Grin
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    « Reply #256 on: November 04, 2013 08:10:12 AM »

    I have to say
     ...never used the Delta's so I can't comment on those. Are they alcohol based?


    Yup! ..and they blend really nice Smiley
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    « Reply #257 on: November 04, 2013 09:57:39 AM »

    Hi everyone, I have a supply question for y'all.  As I have been observing the cards everyone makes (and even been lucky enough to receive some from really talented artists), I've realized that a lot of the cards I admire most seem to be done in art marker.  I noticed that some people in the thread have mentioned copic markers before, so when I went to Michaels today with a 40% off all art supplies coupon, I figured I would pick some up.

    Yowza!  The copic markers I saw were $50 a 6-pack, or $8 individually.  (And to top it off, I am pretty sure the coupon can't even be used on copics.)  So after standing befuddled and a little defeated in the marker aisle for about 5 minutes, I threw some stuff into my basket and headed to the register.

    After getting home and initially experimenting with the supplies I bought, my feelings were mixed at best:

    24 pack Pentel Arts Color Pen Fine Point Color Markers: this was the most expensive thing I bought, and I kinda feel like it was a waste of money.  Cry It seems like they do not flow very well at all, and it is hard to shade in areas with them.  If I use a lot of pressure, the ink blots very dark, and if I try to use broad strokes with a light touch, the shading lines are very obvious.  (I apologize for not using the correct terminology, I have no art training whatsoever.)  Worst of all, if I go over the same area two or three times, the paper of my ATC blank starts peeling up underneath the marker.  While trying to brush some of the peeling off, one section actually came off and revealed white underneath.  Uggh.  Is this a bad brand of marker, or do I just have no clue what I'm doing with them?  Thank heavens I got them for 40% off, or else I would've really felt gypped.

    12 pack Artist's Loft Dual Tip Brush Markers:  The brush tip on these gets waaay better flow and coverage, so I like these better than the Pentel.  My problem with these is that all the hues are super bold, and with only 12 colors, it's going to be hard to do anything subtle with them.

    Faber-Castell PITT artist pens (one fine tip, one brush) in black for outlining: these seem like good products.  I especially like the brush tip one.

    So, do you y'all have any suggestions/recommendations for brands I should be looking for?  What products you like to use?  Or advice on how to best use the stuff I've already purchased?  Thanks in advance for any tips you can share with me.

    I go to my local art supply store, cuz I like local, and buy any color I wish of Pigma micron pens. Fadeproof, waterproof so I can do watercolors on top of them.0.45 line width is what I usually go for. I have had one in particular for 10 years and use it on nearly every ATC I do. Has lasted that long! They are not expensive at all. Do not remember exact price, but considering that I have lived in poverty my whole adult life, there is no way I would have purchased it without it being a very reasonable price.  On the pen it says Sakura color Products, made in Japan.
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    « Reply #258 on: November 04, 2013 11:01:29 AM »

    With fine liners and alcohol ink markers... it's difficult. The only ones I found that don't smudge at all are the copic multiliners. They are not the cheapest, but since the tips and the ink cartridges are exchangeable I would say they are worth their money. The pigma brush pen I have here doesn't work with the ink markers that well Sad
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    « Reply #259 on: November 04, 2013 01:11:32 PM »

     I have the Copic liners and my only complaint with them is if you do a pencil sketch underneath be careful, they will smear. Let then completely dry before you erase any stray lines.
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