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« on: August 28, 2012 08:14:54 PM »

I've seen this in a bunch of tutorials and I can't find this stuff anywhere.  Huh All I have is the Sculpey TLS but it's milky looking. I wan't something that's crystal clear when it dries.
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« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2012 08:13:39 AM »

It's been discontinued by the new manufacturer, Staedtler. 
I've seen a few bottles online left over from before though so you might try just a regular Google search, or try eBay, etc.

The good news is that of the 3 original brands of liquid polymer clay, the Kato Polyclay one is still going strong, now called "Liquid Polyclay Clear Medium" (it's better than TLS too--in fact, many clayers have preferred it). 
Note that all liquid clays are milky looking before heating...they will get clearer the hotter they get and the thinner they are.

You may be able to buy it locally if you have a Hobby Lobby since that's one of the few places to carry Kato Polyclay in general, but otherwise you'll have to order it online (and btw, the larger size is only a couple of dollars more but you'll get about 4 times as much liquid clay). 
Here's the page at Donna's selling site that carries it:
http://prairiecraft.com/polyclay/KCLM.html
(she also sells precolored liquid clays, but you can create your own too)
...and preg_replace('/(.{19})/', '$1 ', 'polymerclayexpress.com') also carries it, at least

For much more info on the characteristics of the brands, all the ways liquid polymer clay can be used, how to make them all clearer and more if you're interested, check out the Liquid Clay page at my site:
http://glassattic.com/polymer/LiquidSculpey.htm

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« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2012 03:08:26 PM »

Thanks! You're a life-saver!!! I just placed my order Grin I kept seeing the liquid fimo in stores for years but not once bought it. I'm kicking myself now.
I just realized this is the way people make the clear syrup look for waffles and such. I like TLS mixed with clay for a thick icing look.

Also, I kept seeing people paint acrylic paint on uncured clay. So, acrylic paint is okay to bake?
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« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2012 01:19:41 PM »

Acrylic paint is sometimes baked on polymer clay to create antiquing after the clay is cured.  That's a smaller amount though than "painting on top of polymer clay" in a thicker covering layer to get all the color (after baking).

Both acrylic paints and clear water-based finishes like polyurethane, etc, are bakable, though they aren't usually baked a long time or even for quite as high a temp...so perhaps 250 for 5-15 minutes.  I *think* most acrylic paints would be fine for hotter and longer, but as I said that's mostly done for thin layers not all over the clay. 

Where have you seen clayers "painting on polymer clay while raw with acrylic paints," then baking?  If you show me where you've seen that, I may immediately know what you're talking about and can add more info.

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I just realized this is the way people make the clear syrup look for waffles and such. I like TLS mixed with clay for a thick icing look.

If you're interested in using liquid clay that way too, you might also want to check out the Frostings, Icings, Jellies, etc, section of my Miniatures page too (under "Foods") as well as the Liquid Clays page:
http://glassattic.com/polymer/miniatures.htm
And they can be extruded through icing tips, etc, too:
http://glassattic.com/polymer/claygun.htm > Extruding Liquid Clays
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« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2012 01:49:18 PM »

To make the bread crust, she paints the acrylic on the uncured clay

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpyqhEmqYag

Also, what's the best super strong glue to glue my finished pieces onto a glass/metal cake stand? I had been just using Tacky Glue but is there something more professional?
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« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2012 09:35:59 AM »

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To make the bread crust, she paints the acrylic on the uncured clay

Oh, okay.  I don't think most clayers use paint while the clay is raw but it seems to work for some effects.  Generally, they'd use a brown powder like mica powder, chalk or oil pastel powder, eye shadow, etc while the clay is raw, or after baking a wash of brown acrylic paint, or even the other things brushed on (perhaps in a clear-finish binder).  
For a simple look, a thin sheet of polymer clay can be wrapped around the offwhite bread loaf, or a "bullseye cane" can be created with an off-white clay center and a thin brown wrapping layer then the whole crusted-loaf shaped into a loaf-shaped cane (then sliced before or after baking.

https://www.google.com/images?q=miniature+polymer+clay+bread
https://www.google.com/search?q=miniature+polymer+clay+bread
https://www.google.com/images?q=miniature+polymer+clay+bread+slice
https://www.google.com/search?q=miniature+polymer+clay+bread+slice
http://miniatures.about.com/od/dollshousefood/ss/slicedbread_5.htm

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what's the best super strong glue to glue my finished pieces onto a glass/metal cake stand? I had been just using Tacky Glue but is there something more professional?

If you want to use a permanent white glue, use a stronger one like GemTac, Jewel It, Weldbond, etc.
You could also use:
...2-part epoxy glue (the longer the setting time, the stronger the bond)
...E6000

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« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2012 09:21:09 PM »

Thanks Diane. I'm gonna grab some new glue. I have the Gem-Tac already but I want a clear one. Mostly to attach glass pieces to wood. A glass/clay to metal(jewelry making and such)

I caved and ordered some Fimo Deco gel on Amazon. A bit expensive but I can't stop thinking about it. Tongue I'm sure I'll get plenty of use out of it and the Kato Polyclay.
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« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2012 12:49:08 AM »

My Kato Polyclay arrived today. I tested it out. It dries practically clear but I was hoping it would be shiny for my waffle syrup and such. I just painted over it with glaze after baking. I hear Fimo liquid dries clear and shiny. Waiting on my order so I can try that.
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« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2012 04:51:32 AM »

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My Kato Polyclay arrived today. I tested it out. It dries practically clear but I was hoping it would be shiny for my waffle syrup and such.
I just painted over it with glaze after baking.
I hear Fimo liquid dries clear and shiny. Waiting on my order so I can try that.

I'm a little confused about the materials you're using.
Are you using the blocks of *solid* polymer clay called Kato Polyclay, or are you using Kato Polyclay's version of *liquid* polymer clay ("Liquid Polyclay Clear Medium")?

You're also using the word "dries" but neither solid polymer clay nor liquid polymer clay ever dries.  They both "cure" because they must be heated in order to become hard. 
And the hotter any brand of liquid polymer clay gets and the thinner the coat used, the clearer and shinier it will become (and esp. the Kato liquid clay, up to 325 F or more). 
If you're not getting a really shiny and clear result from your Kato liquid clay, you probably just aren't heating it hot enough or making it thin enough.  The same would be true with the Fimo version of liquid clay (Deco Gel). 

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« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2012 11:50:53 AM »

I meant to say "cure", I said "dry" sorry. After it's baked I was looking for something shiny for use as detail on my projects. The clear Kato Liquid Polyclay wasn't shiny after baking like I wished. It did dry clear though and I used a thin layer. I didn't know I could heat it up to 325. I usually keep it at 275 for my other clay projects that I bake.

My Fimo Deco Gel arrived today and I'm excited to try it out. Grin
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« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2012 12:23:05 PM »

If you just want to add clear gloss here and there or all over, or even over your paint, etc, couldn't you use use a clear finish as usual, like Varathane, etc? (I may have forgotten some part of your info though). 

As long as the clear finish is water-based or alcohol-based, it'll be fine directly on polymer clay though finishes vary in their later strength (resistance to moisture/scratches).  Some people also use 2-part epoxy resins or 2-part epoxy glues for similar but thicker-in-one-go clear coats.
(Sanding plus electric buffing can also be done directly on cured polymer clay to take the surface all the way up to a high gloss.)

more info on clear finishes and sanding/buffing for gloss here, if interested:
http://glassattic.com/polymer/finishes.htm
http://glassattic.com/polymer/other_materials.htm (> Epoxy >> Coating)
http://glassattic.com/polymer/sanding_tumbling.htm
http://glassattic.com/polymer/buffing.htm

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