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« on: January 28, 2012 02:29:13 AM »

I have seen a couple of swaps recently where organisers have requested that you send 'No Extras'. As someone how organises swaps on a fairly frequent basis I just wondered if anyone would mind letting me know why you add the  'no extras' condition to your swaps? Simpler? Quicker sends? less complicated??
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« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2012 04:10:27 AM »

I haven't organized a swap over here yet. I do want to someday. I have been really following all the rules so I don't screw up, lol. I think the No Extra request comes from that a lot of swappers feel it puts pressure on them or they might disappoint their own swap partner if they can't send extras.
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« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2012 08:54:01 AM »

Extras are fun to receive and I know most of us swappers love to spoil Smiley. However, I put the 'no extras' condition on all of the swaps I organize for several reasons...

- It makes things simpler for those participating
- Everyone has clear expectations of what's required and what they will receive
- It keeps energy focused on the theme/item we're making for the swap
- Similarly, the swap gallery is focused on the swap items and not filled with unrelated extras
- And most importantly, it keeps things fair and equitable for everyone

Just like lylacfey mentioned, not everyone can afford to send extras or wants to sends extras or wants to receive extras but sometimes there can be a pressure or expectation that you need to do it if your partner is or if other people in the swap are.

If there are partners in my swaps that want to send more to each other, I always ask that they do that as a personal swap rather than as part of the original swap.

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« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2012 01:04:12 PM »

Thanks for your answers Lylacfey and limeriot. Both of your answeres were very interesting. I can see what you mean about keeping the energy focused and therfore the gallery, the hoopla galleries always look amazing. I guess if participants do decide to send extras in the form of a personal swap, then the extras woudl go in the personal swaps gallery.
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« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2012 05:53:35 PM »

I haven't organized, but from a swapper's perspective, I can tell you that I like the 'no extras' condition. It's a little annoying to have a swap thread that has more talk of the (non-swap-related) extras people are sending than the actual swap items!

And when I'm having a hard time coming up with something that I think my partner will like - to have the 'regular' swap item worry is one thing, but then to have the "omg, I *still* need to find 5 extras because she's sending me 5 extras!" on top of that is crazy making stressful. And if I don't send extras then I feel like I have to craft something bigger as the swap item to "make up" when I didn't send extras but my partner did.

Besides, a swap package pic of 'just' the swap items compared to other people's pics of swap items plus extras looks so small. I was in one swap where there were comments about someone being 'cheated' because they got such a small package. Even though the package was exactly for the swap items with no extras. (that was NOT how it was said, but that idea)
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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2012 07:15:35 AM »


Besides, a swap package pic of 'just' the swap items compared to other people's pics of swap items plus extras looks so small. I was in one swap where there were comments about someone being 'cheated' because they got such a small package. Even though the package was exactly for the swap items with no extras. (that was NOT how it was said, but that idea)

This is why I like to have a "no extras" swap. No one should be made to feel that they shorted their partner when they meet the swap requirements.

Some people love to go crazy with extras and lots of spoiling, but I'd rather receive a package that has one awesome item in it than a package crammed with lots of extra "stuff". I feel that when swappers know they can send their partner "only" the swap requirements, they concentrate on making those items as wonderful as possible. It really evens the playing field.   
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« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2012 09:43:17 AM »

I understand why there would be a "no extras" rule, but to me, "extra" is just that- anything beyond the actual swap.
Personally, if i got an International package, I would probably use the stamps from it in a project, and to me, that WOULD be the extra (as opposed to a computer printed postage). If the swap was wrapped in tissue paper or tied with a bow, those would be welcomed extras as well. Theres no rule that items must be wrapped, but taking the time to wrap the swap is putting in a bit of extra time.
I also think, sometimes just  a tiny extra that goes with the item is fine. Say I send a handmade picture frame, which is the actual swap, but put a pretty bit of paper in, so its not a blank frame. Its just for presentation, really, but as us crafters know, ANYthing can be a craft supply LOL. No, I wouldn't expect that piece of paper, but it makes it look more finished.
Technically, no swap HAS to have "extras", since the swap is clearly for the item(s) based on points/ time/ size. But it doesn't seem harmful to add in a small item. Its like buying cereal FOR the taste, but the prize inside is nice too.
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« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2012 10:19:53 AM »

I don't think the things you mentioned are what most people think of as "extras". I always wrap my swap item in colorful tissue paper and tie it off with some nice Baker's twine, but that's just presentation. Putting a nice piece of paper in a frame: same thing.

When I host a swap that specifies "no extras", I just don't want to see someone send the required item, plus a scarf, some hand knit socks, tons of candies, an ornament, and a couple of journals.  Cheesy
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« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2012 06:04:20 PM »

As a newer Swapper, I've gravitated to either a fill-the-box style swap or a nice, clear, no-extras one. I like knowing what I'm aiming for since I really feel like the newbie I am. I don't want to mess up by not sending enough but I also don't want to go overboard and I only have so much time and budget. Having just taken place in the latest hoopla, I really liked that I could just focus on that one item and getting it perfect (or at least presentable!) No worries about what extras I needed to find.
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« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2012 01:17:18 PM »

I always write in the 'other things you would like to add' section of the questionnaire that I would like to stick the the requirements only.  Because I am in New Zealand, and have sent internationally in all but one of the swaps I have done, filling the parcel with extras would push the postage up way higher than just sending the requirements.  I would love to be able to send extras, and it is always nice to receive them, but the $$ factor is prohibitive.  Smiley 
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« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2012 03:34:58 PM »

I've ended up sending late due to that *extras* pressure. Like I get distracted working on those instead of the main thing, when I should have just focused better. It is difficult when you're new and don't know the routine! (I got spoiled on my first swap, but I wouldn't trade it for anything since I was a stressed out new mom and it absolutely made my week..maybe year! lol) I've noticed the "no extras" thing a lot more lately and I love it! Great idea on making extras a separate thing.
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« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2012 05:54:28 PM »

I know I am in the minority, but I actually avoid swaps that say no extras. I don't like being limited. I always have a hard time coming up with ideas on what I should make. If I am inspired and come up with a bunch of ideas, I want to make as many as I can. Not to be told I can only make a certain amount. It is "extra", I don't expect anything in return and I don't care if they send 5 points worth and I send 15. If I cared, I wouldn't send extras. I don't join swaps to get items (although I do love it), I swap to make items for others who will actually appreciate it. Plus, I can't work, so I swap to fill up my time. I know others can't sent as much as I do, but if don't send extras, I could finish all my swaps in just a matter of days and then have nothing to do. And I really just like spoiling my partners (when I can). I see it like this.... What if a waitress did a really good job and you wanted to tip her more but are told you can't tip more than 15%. Why? You want to give her more, it isn't going to hurt her, and it would make her happy.... I think it should be your call.


Of course there are always exceptions... I understand why a swap that is about making one spectacular item wouldn't want extras (though I probably would still want to if I was allowed  Wink )

I don't like having extras as a separate thing as I never know if I am going to sent extras or not (or how many). It depends on many things. Does my partner have only a few knitted items they want (or complicated ones), or a wishlist full of 50 items I can do easily. Do I have all day, everyday to work on it... or is something going to pop up? And if I send extras, I don't know if it will be 1 item or 10. If I have to list extras, it is no longer extra and I would fell obligated to do it.
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« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2013 09:13:48 AM »

I think we have a variety of swaps to meet everyone's idea of the swap experience!  If the expectations are posted up front, people can decide to join or not...I sometimes want a swap with the idea of spoiling my partner...but sometimes I want a swap just to focus on a new technique or idea for ONE thing...I think being able to pick what I am in the mood for is great!

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« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2013 10:00:25 PM »

I know I am in the minority, but I actually avoid swaps that say no extras. I don't like being limited. I always have a hard time coming up with ideas on what I should make. If I am inspired and come up with a bunch of ideas, I want to make as many as I can. Not to be told I can only make a certain amount. It is "extra", I don't expect anything in return and I don't care if they send 5 points worth and I send 15. If I cared, I wouldn't send extras.

I agree, actually. I'm in the middle of my first swap, and I did what was required and only that because of time crunch at the end of a semester. I wanted to do my best, and that was what it was in this case. But in other swaps, it may be the middle of the summer or at a less pressured time during school. In those cases, I want to have the option of doing more. My best may be to do the swap plus x, y, z and so I want to be able to do that. I swap because it's fun to give, and it's inspiring to make something to spec for a new friend. Getting something in return is just icing.

I think if other people think that a person who got the swap requirements and no extras was cheated that those people should maybe do a little bit of thinking about why they feel that way, why they swap, what they want to get out of it, and especially what they bring to the process. I think it's too bad that such comments and impressions make others feel pressured to do too much for their budgets of time or money. I think the best thing to do is ask those questions rather than putting blanket limits on what people can do.

I think about this the same way I do Christmas or birthdays. I give gifts to my friends because I care about them, and because I enjoy making or picking out something just for them. I don't care if they give me something back. I don't care if I give them $50 worth of gifts and they give me $30. If they are having fun with it, and enjoying the process, that's what I enjoy. It really, truly is the thought that counts.

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« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2014 04:35:46 PM »

I also am in the category of loving to send extras but not minding not getting any back. I have a few reasons for this:

I love to make people happy (cheesy but true) spoiling people makes ME happy and having suffered depression for years I believe happiness is more important than possessions.

When people go that little bit further than they are required to it makes me feel special (Who doesn't like to be spoiled sometimes) I like to believe by sending extras I can make my partner feel special too

I have no self confidence and although I do my best with everything I make I never feel it is up to the standard of others therefore sending extras hopefully enhances the parcel and my partner is not too disappointed

I find the actual crafting in a swap my favourite part. I do not work and am often unable to go out by nyself (health/mobility reasons) I have spent years suffering from depression just sitting in the house with day time TV is likely to send me back downhill so crafting keeps me sane and also distracts me from physical pain.

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I also find that while I often send more than I receive there are times when I receive more than I receive. Whilst it makws me feel guilty
 a) I believe it evens out for most people over several people (ie I send 5 extras to person a who only sends me two. Person b I also send 5 to but she sends me 8. Person b then sends 3 to person c and receives 6 ...etc etc etc)

B) gift giving is not (and never will be) about what you get in return for me.
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« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2014 04:42:12 PM »

Erm I have just realised how old the last post on this thread was.  Sorry!
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