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« on: July 05, 2010 10:31:15 PM »

im not shure if it goes in this thread but i guess its the closest i can think of....

i recently brought some of that japanese paper clay and deco cream and deco sauce as well as some little canes some pre cut some not cut, and i have no idea how to use it so ill list my questions....

1. paper clay, how long does it take to cure and i got a mould for it an it says to leave in mould till dry, is this really necessary?

2. deco cream, how long does it take to set? im gathering its just a silicon type material ? so 12-24hrs?

3. how would i go about putting head pins into the paper clay and deco cream?

4. what is the best method of slicing the canes? they are small and semi hard, do i have to bake these after ive sliced them or do they dry out?

5. sealing, do i just seal the clay cane peices and paper clay or can i seal the deco cream too?

6. how long does the deco sauce take to dry? it seems to just be like glue?


any help would be appreciated
sorry this took so long
thanks

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« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2010 05:54:16 AM »

2. deco cream, how long does it take to set? im gathering its just a silicon type material ? so 12-24hrs?

5. sealing, do i just seal the clay cane peices and paper clay or can i seal the deco cream too?

6. how long does the deco sauce take to dry? it seems to just be like glue?

I've just started using Delta Texture Magic.  It dries to the touch in maybe 3-6 hours (with cornstarch added), depending on humidity, and is fully dry in 24.  If by seal you mean varnish or gloss, then you can finish the deco cream that way, but there's no actual need.
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« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2010 03:35:31 AM »


1. paper clay, how long does it take to cure and i got a mould for it an it says to leave in mould till dry, is this really necessary?

It depends on the humidity in your workspace. I was using paperclay to make some small cookies (about the size of a quarter, and maybe a third of a centimeter thick), and they were mostly dry after about 15 minutes (at which point I decided they were ugly, so I added some water to them and smooshed them back into a ball for later use). It's very dry in my apartment.

You don't have to leave it in the mold until it's dry, but doing so will prevent you from making unnecessary dents in your piece from trying to pull it out. Plus the paperclay will shrink slightly and will pretty much just fall out of the mold instead of having to pry it out.

3. how would i go about putting head pins into the paper clay and deco cream?

In the paper clay, you just stick the pin in there before it dries all the way, then put some super glue around the hole when the piece is completely dry to secure everything in place. I don't know about the deco cream, as I just bought some myself today and have yet to try it out.

4. what is the best method of slicing the canes? they are small and semi hard, do i have to bake these after ive sliced them or do they dry out?

I use a polymer clay blade. It's very sharp and flexible. All the canes I've ever bought online have been pre-baked, so you shouldn't have to bake yours any more after slicing. If you would have to bake it, the cane would be rather soft.

5. sealing, do i just seal the clay cane peices and paper clay or can i seal the deco cream too?

You can seal the deco cream, but you don't need to, since it already dries with a nice shine. I've heard some creams/silicone caulk can dry a bit tacky and collect dust, and sealing can help with the dust problem.

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« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2010 03:56:33 AM »

thank you so much blackie.sage for your advice Smiley

the head pins in the deco cream im just wondering if they will stick if i just put them in there or not because i think it would be hard to pipe nicely around a head pin.

im glad you told me the paper clay can dry so quickly because its winter here and heaters are on alot and i wouldnt have thought anything of it. whats the best thing to seal it with? i read somewhere clear nailpolish works, is this true?

polymer clay blade, ive never heard of one of these, would a scalpel or razor blade work the same?


thank you so much Cheesy you have been such a major help, ive been so afraid to use any of it so its been sitting there for a week

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« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2010 09:27:41 AM »

I just noticed that one of the questions you asked was about cutting "canes."  I had thought your whole set of questions was about air-dry clay, and hadn't heard of canes of air-dry clays being sold, so was question 4# (and maybe #5) about polymer clay instead of air-dry clay?

If so, most polymer clay canes are sold raw (but firm from sitting around awhile) though some are also sold baked, especially smaller ones. 
There are various kinds of sharp blades that can be used to cut "slices" from polymer clay canes, and you can read about them all on this page of my site:
http://www.glassattic.com/polymer/cutters-blades.htm (check out the Blades category)
If you are cutting through a pre-baked polymer clay cane, you'll want a very sharp blade and either a more rigid blade or just hold the long blade close to the cane on both sides, to make the more-flexible long blades more rigid while cutting. If the canes are a small diameter though, other things like single-edge razor blades, sharp Xacto blades, etc. could work.
(Polymer clay canes are usually reheated before slicing if they've been pre-baked, which softens them some.)

This page also has lots of info about cutting and/or cutting slices from polymer clay canes in general:
http://glassattic.com/polymer/Canes--general.htm ...click on Cutting Canes


As for sealing, polymer clay needs no sealing because it's not water-based like air-dry clays (and not grain-based so bugs have to be kept out). And silicone isn't water-based either so no sealing required there. 
Air-dry clays, including those that use cellulose/paper as their filler, all need to be sealed though with a clear sealer or a permanent paint to protect them from later moisture (and perhaps bugs). 
Sometimes clayers do use a sealer on polymer clay items though to give more of a gloss finish or to hold things on if some other materials are on the surface that might oxidize or fall off.  And a few polymer clayers just paint over their clay entirely like they might do for various mediums that come only in one color.

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