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« on: January 10, 2010 05:37:03 AM »

I live in India where it's hard to find Polymer Clay or Fimo. And instead of ordering online, I decide to go for another alternative: Cold Porcelain Clay. That's glue, flour, and some other odd stuff over the stove. Yes, I cooked glue. It was fascinating.  Tongue

After some research online, I found I could get away with substituting Nivea for cold cream, and Vaseline for glycerin which I did have at home. It air dries, so there is no need to consume electricity or draw unwanted attention to the tray with smiley faces on it. And it shrinks, so it's not perfect.

But here's what I've made so far:

http://aunexamor.net/entula/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/claythingsthumb.jpg

I used heavy silver eye make up, purple hair dye, and black stamping ink to color them and then sealed them with clear nail polish. The texture ones were made from pressing the clay into irregular surfaces, painting over with black and then lightly brushing over silver.

Those are the only painted/finished ones I've made so far. Clear nail polish, by the way, has no longevity (I found that out the hard way Sad) so until I order in some Sculpey Glaze, I left the rest unpainted/unglazed:

http://aunexamor.net/entula/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/unpainted.jpg

Has anyone else experimented with Cold Porcelain clay before? Comments and tips will be much appreciated!  Grin
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« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2010 06:23:53 AM »

So neat. Love what you did.

Was wondering, I read the link and a lot of people had problems with cracks during drying. How'd that go for you?
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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2010 06:34:01 AM »

Extremely well done for an experimental thing. Really - I love the purple ones, especially the heart with the 3 different parts in it. (:
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« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2010 06:34:35 AM »


So neat. Love what you did.

Was wondering, I read the link and a lot of people had problems with cracks during drying. How'd that go for you?

That did happen to some. I avoided it by making sure the surfaces were clean - like when we tend to fold the clay over itself, I smoothed out the surface as best as I could. It minimized the cracking to almost none at all. Since it's air-dry, it's easy to check up on them to see if they're drying okay (I was more concerned about how they shrink).
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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2010 06:46:31 AM »

Very good job! And I see a Ladybug in there.  Grin  Love the ladybugs!
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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2010 08:13:40 AM »

they look great!  I played around with cold porcelain last month.  I found that the thicker things I had pressed into molds cracked a lot, but the things I rolled out thinly and stamped to decorate dried beautifully.  I will be working with it more later in the year for some ornaments and a wreath I want to try
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« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2010 08:38:10 AM »

I have been meaning to try cold porcelain for awhile now.
Your pieces turned out beautifully.  I love the large heart pendant, and the large hammered-silver looking drop.
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« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2010 08:48:12 AM »

omg - these are fabulous!  great job!
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« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2010 08:52:58 AM »

They came out beautifully. Clearly you don't need sculpey, I can't wait to see the unfinished ones finished!
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« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2010 09:29:40 AM »

This is really cool! I'm about to go back to school, and my dorm is very artsy. Also though, my dorm is insulated with hay and old newspapers... so a no heat 'clay' would be awesome!
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« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2010 12:16:54 PM »

This looks like fun. Thanks for turning me on to this.
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« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2010 03:06:16 PM »

Very nice job! All look really good.
But sorry you can't find any polymer clays where you are. Grin  (You can always mail order any of the polymer clay brands and lines from other countries if you want though --e.g., from Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, Philippines, etc):
http://www.glassattic.com/polymer/supplysources.htm (click on Non-USA)

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Clear nail polish, by the way, has no longevity (I found that out the hard way) so until I order in some Sculpey Glaze, I left the rest unpainted/unglazed

I'm not sure why that happened (and what exactly did happen re "longevity"?) since all air dry clays should be fine with most all clear sealers (or acrylic paints, etc), including clear fingernail polishes, as long as they are completely dried first.  Since cold porcelain can take a more than a day (or even up to a week to thoroughly dry), did you perhaps just coat the cold porcelain too soon?
(Btw, the newest version of Sculpey Glaze is just a clear gloss "polyurethane" so you should be able to buy that at any hardware store--for sealing bare wood-- and use that, cheaper too.  For non-polymer items, made from air dry clays, even the non-water based clear finishes can be used.)

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Has anyone else experimented with Cold Porcelain clay before?

Yes, but not so much in the U.S. as in the East, Far East, and Brazil where polymer clays aren't as easily available.  We do have a few jars of it around though if one looks --not cheap though--and not as cheap as other air-dry clays.

There's a bunch of info on cold porcelain-type clays on these pages of my polymer clay site, if you want to check them out:
http://www.glassattic.com/polymer/sculpture.htm (...click on Air Dry Clays, then scroll down a ways to Cold Porcelain Clays)
http://www.glassattic.com/polymer/armatures-temp.htm (...click on Cold Porcelain)

As for colorants, you should be able to add color into the raw cold porcelain as well as painting or coating it with other colorants after it dries, if you want. 
I'm impressed that you were able to make your own though and have it handle well since mostly I've heard the stuff made completely at home has many more problems than the premixed stuff, or even the paste that's mixed at home.

Some of the other disadvantages I've heard for cold porcelains are like other air-dry clays, but some are a bit different... e.g.:
...dries in 24 hrs - 3 days, depending on thickness (full cure, one week?)...though can also be oven-dried after just dried to the touch
...does not allow for much highly-detail so more useful for making objects and sculpts that do not have fine details (than polymer clays)
...dries out pretty fast while working with it
...shrinks around 10% while drying (but that's less shrinkage than with many other air-dry clays which can be as high as 30%)
...the raw paste-clay can have color incorporated into it, or it can be painted after drying ....at least one brand has several colors already mixed
...some of its characteristics can vary from packet to packet, or due to shelf life
...must be very well sealed after drying ...otherwise will be dissolved with water, and will absorb humidity over time

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« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2010 03:23:42 PM »

Those look really nice. You did a lovely job painting them, at first I assumed the clay itself was colored.
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« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2010 03:39:31 PM »

Looks great!
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« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2010 07:03:51 PM »

I didn't know anything about them  before now, but I'm fixin' to.  Smiley
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« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2010 03:37:11 AM »

wow they r grate iv never worked with cold porcelain befor i didnt even know you could make it your self way to go
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Clear nail polish, by the way, has no longevity (I found that out the hard way) so until I order in some Sculpey Glaze, I left the rest unpainted/unglazed

I'm not sure why that happened (and what exactly did happen re "longevity"?) since all air dry clays should be fine with most all clear sealers (or acrylic paints, etc), including clear fingernail polishes, as long as they are completely dried first.  Since cold porcelain can take a more than a day (or even up to a week to thoroughly dry), did you perhaps just coat the cold porcelain too soon?

I didn't suspect it would take longer than a day to dry actually. I glazed them over the next day. The reason I said that it doesn't last long is because for the one piece that I glazed it with and wore, the polish wore away and the paint underneath started chipping off. I figured that it was because I used nail polish since... the same thing happens on our nails. Undecided

This is it only three days of daily wear (showers included... maybe that's why?) :



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I'm definitely looking into polyurethane! THANK YOU for making it so much more simpler. And also for your tips and those links, they contain loads of useful information - I've been checking them out since last night!
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« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2010 08:52:15 AM »

That's an awesome idea for your situation. That's awesome! It would be fun to play with.
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This is it only three days of daily wear (showers included... maybe that's why?) :

I think in this particular case, the problem might have been the hole(s) rather than the finish/glaze.  

Notice that the chipping away of the paint and sealer on these pieces is right next to the hole you made for the eye pin rather than anywhere else.  I'm assuming that the water got into the clay from around the pin (or U-shaped wire), and even just a little water will undermine air-dry clays.  
If you hadn't been taking showers, it might not have happened though since the amount of humidity (vs. shower water) getting into the hole would have been a lot less.  

If you want to try again with an air-dry clay, I'd suggest putting a lot of clear finish around the eye pin where it goes into the hole and hope there won't be enough stress on the eye pin to allow a tiny crack to form there to let water in (or don't take showers with the jewelry on at least).  
You could even repair these by letting the clay that's exposed dry out thoroughly (maybe even a week or so), then add more paint and much more sealer.

You might also be able to figure out a way to seal the entire inside of the hole before gluing in an eye pin or U-shaped-wire, or something (in that case, I'd probably use a strong clear glue like a 2-part epoxy, or maybe E6000 or a strong white glue... or you could just make sure that the entire hole is filled in with the glue as well as the opening areas).
Single-shank connectors like eye pins, etc., will hold best in polymer clay if there will be any later stress if they also create a mechanical hold than just an adhesive hold though, so clayers often bend the shanks of their eye pins before inserting into the clay then snug the hole (or slit) back around the shank.  That might work with air-dry clay too as long as the area around the entry area are also well sealed.

What do you think?

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« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2010 06:00:17 PM »

I've never tried this... and it looks fascinating. Your work is lovely!  Smiley
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« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2010 06:05:01 AM »

I think in this particular case, the problem might have been the hole(s) rather than the finish/glaze.  

Notice that the chipping away of the paint and sealer on these pieces is right next to the hole you made for the eye pin rather than anywhere else.  I'm assuming that the water got into the clay from around the pin (or U-shaped wire), and even just a little water will undermine air-dry clays.  
If you hadn't been taking showers, it might not have happened though since the amount of humidity (vs. shower water) getting into the hole would have been a lot less.  

It actually makes a lot of sense. I think you're right about glazing it better near the pin. I'll be doing that for the rest. If clear nail polish acts a good glaze, that'd be great. It'll still be looking into polyurethane, too. Air dry clay can be so tricky, especially where water is concerned. Now, I'm glad I didn't go ahead and glaze the other ones, I can rest assured that they're fully dried now and glaze them better.

As for sealing the hole, I'll try it with glue. I wonder though, since air dry clay shrinks, shouldn't the pins be secured anyway? It's better to be on the safe side though. Also, I wonder if covering the holes with a layer of the clay merged with the rest of the charm would work...

Thank you so much for your insight, you've been loads of help Smiley
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As for sealing the hole, I'll try it with glue. I wonder though, since air dry clay shrinks, shouldn't the pins be secured anyway? It's better to be on the safe side though.

I assume that air-dry clay will shrink around the shank a bit more, but it may also shrink away from the shank at the very entrance because the whole bulk of the clay will shrink?
It would still be great to do what many polymer clayers do and bend the shank at least a bit before inserting it and snugging the clay back around, so there will be a mechanical hold of the clay on the shank as well as any adhesive hold you might want to use. Just roughing up the shank could work a bit too to create a little mechanical hold. (Be sure and let any glue dry or cure too before covering with anything else.)

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Also, I wonder if covering the holes with a layer of the clay merged with the rest of the charm would work...

I thought about that but if I'm understanding you right, you'd simply have the entry hole in a different place because you'd be using an eye pin or U-shape somewhere?  I did think that adding more clay around the entrance in a sloping fashion (with the narrowest part upward so any water would be more likely to slide down it and onto the well-sealed areas than to collect in the lower crevice area around the entrance), but would still be better to "fill in" that crevice as much as possible I'd think.  

You could though use a wide clay "loop" (like a bail) or a hole to put your jump ring or cording through though and not make any holes in the clay; that should work if air-dry clay is strong enough (...actually you could cover" a piece of wire or something strong with the air-dry clay then use that as your "loop"/etc and avoid that problem, or you could glue a metal eyelet/etc into/over the hole to strengthen it--but seal the clay under the eyelet well).  
Those kinds of "other ways" to add connectors are described on that Pendants page I linked to before (under the categories Tubes or clay Bails) and include things like gluing small tubes/etc onto the top or sides of a dangle to act as connectors, etc.

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« Reply #22 on: January 19, 2010 07:18:14 PM »

Bending the shank sounds more secure too actually. I'll be trying that next time as well.

  Yep, just another reason to love polymer clay  Wink Cheesy Grin

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« Reply #23 on: May 20, 2010 12:09:14 PM »

these are awesome!i'm going to try this! btw, did you paint them before it hardens?
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« Reply #24 on: May 20, 2010 07:28:52 PM »

these are awesome!i'm going to try this! btw, did you paint them before it hardens?

Painted them after they had hardened. =)
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« Reply #25 on: May 20, 2010 08:53:28 PM »

these are soooo pretty!!  well done - and bravo for trying the 'alternative' ingredients!!! 
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