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crafty gurll
« on: December 26, 2009 10:28:39 AM »

Merry Christmas craftsters!  I got a Paragon 7 Glass fusing kiln for Christmas, yay!  I have been looking online and googled for hours but can't find the answer to my question:  can you fire clay in this kiln?



Any help greatly appreciated!  I don't want to ruin it so I am a little afraid to throw caution to the wind and fire it up.  I have some wine bottles I'd love to slump... Cheesy

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« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2009 11:15:57 PM »

Yes you can IF your controller has cones. Or if you know the temperature that equals the cone firing you need.
Use a kiln shelf of course.
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« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2009 02:59:18 PM »

It has a digital display for temperature, but I don't think it has cones.
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« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2009 07:37:09 AM »

Merry Christmas craftsters!  I got a Paragon 7 Glass fusing kiln for Christmas, yay!  I have been looking online and googled for hours but can't find the answer to my question:  can you fire clay in this kiln?

The maximum temperature of the Fusion-7 is 1700 degrees F. You can fire it to cone 09 but no hotter. Cone 09 is pushing the kiln to its maximum, so I wouldn't fire to that temperature regularly. The elements will last longer at glass fusing temperatures.

I am so pleased that you have a Paragon kiln. I wish you many years of enjoyment with it.

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« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2009 11:22:04 AM »

Merry Christmas craftsters!  I got a Paragon 7 Glass fusing kiln for Christmas, yay!  I have been looking online and googled for hours but can't find the answer to my question:  can you fire clay in this kiln?

The maximum temperature of the Fusion-7 is 1700 degrees F. You can fire it to cone 09 but no hotter. Cone 09 is pushing the kiln to its maximum, so I wouldn't fire to that temperature regularly. The elements will last longer at glass fusing temperatures.

I am so pleased that you have a Paragon kiln. I wish you many years of enjoyment with it.

Sincerely,

Arnold Howard

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What if I did low fire clay, and fired to cone 5 or so?
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« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2009 02:14:02 PM »

How exciting!!! I thought you had one already since you do a lot of ceramics. Congrats and have fun. I'm saving up for a kiln, hope to have one in the next few months.
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« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2009 03:11:24 PM »

How exciting!!! I thought you had one already since you do a lot of ceramics. Congrats and have fun. I'm saving up for a kiln, hope to have one in the next few months.

I go to a studio for my pottery and have my work fired there.  WAY too messy to do in your own house! Glass is much cleaner, I hope.  Cheesy
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« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2009 05:58:00 PM »

I see, that is cool.   I am thinking I will get the Paragon Caldera as it's a bit larger than the Firefly and you can add the bead collar and blank collar.  I want a kiln so I can do a variety of things like metal clay, ceramics and glass. It's not large but I think it will suit me for now. Hubby seems on board and isn't giving me the evil eye about it so I know I will make this happen soon.   

I can't wait to see what you make. Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2009 10:13:05 PM »

Hey, as long as there is no evil eye go for it!  Wink  That does look like a nice kiln.  This is the site they bought mine from:

http://www.mudinmind.com/Kilns/PARAGON+KILNS/Paragon+Caldera+Kiln.html

and the prices seem pretty reasonable and I am a sucker for free shipping.

I would love to try some of the PMC clay, that is about the coolest thing I've seen in a long time.  Cheesy
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« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2010 08:29:18 AM »

Hey,  I'm looking at getting a kiln too.   Grin

I think I'm going with the Caldera too.  Partly because you can add the collar to it to get the height I want. I talked with a local guy who talked me out of the Paragon Fusion 14 only because of the shallow depth. 

@Lique:  You mentioned adding the blank collar and the bead door collar.  Can you add both?  I guess I thought you could only add one collar.

Has anyone looked at or used the Paragon Home Artist Kiln?  I like the 12 x 12 dimension of it.  But I haven't heard much talk about it, so I'm curious.

I'm looking at using my kiln for fusion, slumping and sagging.  I'm also taking a class this weekend (SQueeee!) on PMC. 

As far as I can tell MudinMind has the best prices. Have you guys found any better prices?
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« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2010 02:28:25 PM »


I think the temp of the Fusion-7 should be 1700 deg F max, so you can fire it to cone up to 09, I think so that your elements may last longer.
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« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2010 08:20:58 AM »


@Lique:  You mentioned adding the blank collar and the bead door collar.  Can you add both?  I guess I thought you could only add one collar.

  Good question. I was under the impression that you could stack all of them at once.  I'm still not able to get my kiln but if hubby gets his bonus next month than maybe just maybe I'll be able to finally get one.


Crafty Gurll, how you liking your new kiln?
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« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2010 08:54:59 AM »

Lique, I haven't used it yet!  Shocked  I plan on running it in the garage, and with Cleveland winters I haven't been able to get it up and running.   I don't think we have had a day over 35 since Christmas.   Tongue
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« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2010 09:28:43 PM »

Mudinmind.com  is great!  Lots of free shipping and low prices and GREAT customer service.  I have ordered two kilns from them.  Order it up!
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« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2010 10:39:49 PM »

Finally have the kiln set up in the garage because warm weather has finally arrived!
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« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2010 09:34:55 PM »

Finally have the kiln set up in the garage because warm weather has finally arrived!

Finally!!!!!  Wink Smiley Smiley Yay!!

I finally have the money to get my kiln. I talked to customer service at Mud in Mind last Friday so I will be ordering this week.  I'm super excited. I am getting the Caldera with digital display, bead collar and the shelf kit.  Smiley
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« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2010 06:12:56 AM »

I'm completely green with jealousy!  My DH has been promising me a kiln since Christmas.  The only problem is just when I think we can order it.....some major repair bill pops up.  Rats!

Can't wait to see what you do with your kiln!  Congrats!
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« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2010 08:33:52 AM »

Finally have the kiln set up in the garage because warm weather has finally arrived!

Finally!!!!!  Wink Smiley Smiley Yay!!

I finally have the money to get my kiln. I talked to customer service at Mud in Mind last Friday so I will be ordering this week.  I'm super excited. I am getting the Caldera with digital display, bead collar and the shelf kit.  Smiley

Yay Lique!  Hopefully you will get your kiln up and running quicker than I did.   Wink

Finally, I have a finished product!  Posted a bunch of photos here:

http://www.craftster.org/forum/index.php?topic=347749.0
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« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2010 02:54:20 PM »

Finally have the kiln set up in the garage because warm weather has finally arrived!

Finally!!!!!  Wink Smiley Smiley Yay!!

I finally have the money to get my kiln. I talked to customer service at Mud in Mind last Friday so I will be ordering this week.  I'm super excited. I am getting the Caldera with digital display, bead collar and the shelf kit.  Smiley

Yay Lique!  Hopefully you will get your kiln up and running quicker than I did.   Wink

Finally, I have a finished product!  Posted a bunch of photos here:

http://www.craftster.org/forum/index.php?topic=347749.0

I may be a bit longer than you as I have a huge mess in my garage to get cleaned up but that is my goal once the kids are out of school. I may still be able to use it even if I don't have the perfect set up as right away.  I'm off to check out your goodies.
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« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2010 08:03:08 AM »

I am thinking about buying a tiny kiln that can handle small glass fusing, PMC, enamel, and ceramic pieces. Does anyone have any thoughts on what to look for or a kiln they love? I want to keep it under $300, if possible. Also, I need to be able to use it in my apartment with a standard 120V outlet.
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« Reply #20 on: September 23, 2010 08:43:23 AM »

I am thinking about buying a tiny kiln that can handle small glass fusing, PMC, enamel, and ceramic pieces. Does anyone have any thoughts on what to look for or a kiln they love? I want to keep it under $300, if possible. Also, I need to be able to use it in my apartment with a standard 120V outlet.

I really like my Paragon Fusion 7, runs on standard 120V, but it doesn't do ceramic and was over $300.  It's big enough to do bottles, but doesn't take up too much space.  It's very easy to program as well.

They do have low fire PMC which may be able to be fired in a glass kiln, I need to look into that.  I would go to mudinmind.com, that's where I got my kiln and the prices were the best I had found anywhere.  If a kiln can fire ceramics it can do glass, but sometimes a glass kiln can't do ceramics.  Glass fuses at a lower temp than ceramics, and the cycle is quicker with glass, so that is something to keep in mind when looking.  My only advice would be to get the largest you can afford so you can do as much with it as possible.  Cheesy

Craig's List is always an option, I see tons of kilns on there, from full size to tabletop.
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« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2010 01:07:32 PM »

I am thinking about buying a tiny kiln that can handle small glass fusing, PMC, enamel, and ceramic pieces. Does anyone have any thoughts on what to look for or a kiln they love? I want to keep it under $300, if possible. Also, I need to be able to use it in my apartment with a standard 120V outlet.

I used Clay King to get my kiln.  I got a Paragon Home Artist one.  It's quite a bit more than $300 but I wanted the biggest kiln that I could at 120 volts.  I got the Home Artist one because a lot of glass artists on a glassing forum recommended it as the best they've used. 

The only concern about getting one for $300 is that you will really limit your use with it.  Your firing chamber size will be pretty tiny.  But maybe that's all you want to start out with. 

I looked at getting a kiln the same way I do with most things in my life..."Go big or go home"!   Cheesy  I know how I get with crafting...I want to do it all and with investing the cha-ching in a kiln I knew I wanted one that would keep me happy for a long time.  Well, as much as I love the one I got already...I sure wish I could've gotten even a bigger one!   Grin

Best word of advice:  Get one with a digital controller.  As a newbie you'll make your learning curve a little less steep than using one without!

Advice about PMC:  With any kiln, get an extra kiln shelf.  PMC will stain/discolor the shelf so you'll want one that is dedicated for just PMC.

Welcome to the world of warm glass!  You'll love it!
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« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2010 01:58:24 PM »

Thank you! These are all really helpful tips! Sadly, I have a shortage of money and space (I live in an apartment - a famous quote from my little neighbor kid: "It's weird that you only have half a house, but you have such a big dog"! LOL!). BUT, you have got me looking at the Paragon Firefly kiln. It's a little more than I want to spend, but it looks possibly doable, and looks like it is versatile enough for what I need. Do you have any experience with a firefly? (Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?)
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« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2010 02:02:37 PM »

crafty gurll, it would be awesome to have room for bottles, but given my space/money constraints I am mostly concerned with being able to do a variety of jewelry-related projects. At some point if I end up being really into it and get a house and more cha-ching, I may want a big kiln, but for now I want to be able to try some different things without getting something too big and/or expensive.
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« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2010 09:09:08 PM »

crafty gurll, it would be awesome to have room for bottles, but given my space/money constraints I am mostly concerned with being able to do a variety of jewelry-related projects. At some point if I end up being really into it and get a house and more cha-ching, I may want a big kiln, but for now I want to be able to try some different things without getting something too big and/or expensive.

Honestly it is little...fits in my garage!   Cheesy
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I will recommend a Paragon, easy to program, east to run.  Cheesy
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« Reply #27 on: September 23, 2010 10:10:15 PM »

I am really leaning toward the firefly so far. Now to figure out where to get the money!
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I am really leaning toward the firefly so far. Now to figure out where to get the money!

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So true! Cheesy
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« Reply #30 on: October 13, 2010 07:12:01 AM »

 I want my own Kiln and will get one in Feb Smiley I am so so excited really so much fun to have..I am really just wondering OUCH How much will one BOOST my electric bill? Lets say you use it to Slump bottles 3X a week what do you think? How much did your bills go UP when you got yours and started useing?? I dont guess I can get a tax break ROTFL on one LOL..
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« Reply #31 on: October 13, 2010 08:33:24 AM »

I want my own Kiln and will get one in Feb Smiley I am so so excited really so much fun to have..I am really just wondering OUCH How much will one BOOST my electric bill? Lets say you use it to Slump bottles 3X a week what do you think? How much did your bills go UP when you got yours and started useing?? I dont guess I can get a tax break ROTFL on one LOL..

I think the newer ones are way more energy efficient than you think.  A full fuse cycle is around 3-4 hours at most.  Mine is the largest that runs on a normal household circuit, a Paragon Fusion 7.  I would run it a few times a month and honestly didn't see a huge huge difference.  Running the a/c all summer was way worse!
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« Reply #32 on: October 13, 2010 09:03:39 AM »

I want my own Kiln and will get one in Feb Smiley I am so so excited really so much fun to have..I am really just wondering OUCH How much will one BOOST my electric bill? Lets say you use it to Slump bottles 3X a week what do you think? How much did your bills go UP when you got yours and started useing?? I dont guess I can get a tax break ROTFL on one LOL..

I think the newer ones are way more energy efficient than you think.  A full fuse cycle is around 3-4 hours at most.  Mine is the largest that runs on a normal household circuit, a Paragon Fusion 7.  I would run it a few times a month and honestly didn't see a huge huge difference.  Running the a/c all summer was way worse!

I am looking at some new ones now but will have to wait to purchase. I want one that I can slump bottles in Smiley but don't want my Ele. bill to go through the roof LOL.
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« Reply #33 on: October 13, 2010 10:24:40 AM »

I would wait until you can buy the one you really want.  The Paragon 7 can fit beer bottles and most liquor bottles, but long necked wine bottles it cannot.  Cry
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« Reply #34 on: October 13, 2010 05:53:57 PM »

I would wait until you can buy the one you really want.  The Paragon 7 can fit beer bottles and most liquor bottles, but long necked wine bottles it cannot.  Cry
I really want one that I can slump wine bottles Smiley Slump Slump bumpity bump  Grin I would not buy a little one and want for a big one...I think I will go to the city and take a class but it is 3 hours one way  Undecided
I want to get a pottery wheel and make some great things and need an all around kiln. There are always ones on Craigslist cheep but I am an ass and would make someone make something in it before getting my money
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« Reply #35 on: October 13, 2010 06:36:28 PM »

I do pottery as well but belong to a studio for that.  A ceramic kiln will be way more expensive to run, the cycles on that are much longer.  And each piece needs a bisque fire and a glaze fire to be finished.  Not to mention the mess of clay dust EVERYWHERE, but it will also need to be vented outside because the fumes are toxic.  I love clay, but not in my house!   Cheesy 

That's a shame you can't find a class to take, to make sure you like it before the investment.  I thought for sure I would love the wheel, but found myself to be a hand builder.  Wink 
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« Reply #36 on: October 13, 2010 10:15:19 PM »

I do pottery as well but belong to a studio for that.  A ceramic kiln will be way more expensive to run, the cycles on that are much longer.  And each piece needs a bisque fire and a glaze fire to be finished.  Not to mention the mess of clay dust EVERYWHERE, but it will also need to be vented outside because the fumes are toxic.  I love clay, but not in my house!   Cheesy 

That's a shame you can't find a class to take, to make sure you like it before the investment.  I thought for sure I would love the wheel, but found myself to be a hand builder.  Wink 

I found some classes ( well one of the studios here at the beach ) will let me come down and play Smiley I am so excited! I will get some one on one so that is great. I talked to the owner a few hours ago and asked if he did classes and he said no but he will always let artist come down and explore before the jump in with both feet LOL ROTFL..so win win..

I did not realize that there was so much to the pottery fire may rethink that one...
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You will get hooked on pottery once you take a class, believe me.   Wink
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