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alorralora
« on: July 31, 2009 09:37:29 PM »

I searched and didn't find a topic that mentions this subject, so here it is.  I had replied to a post of mine asking about this system, then decided it merited its own post.  I got this link from threadmagazine.com and was wondering if anyone's tried it, as I would like to get this system eventually.  Here is the link:  http://www.lutterloh-patterns.com/?gclid=CJe-k43QgZwCFRBbagodCG3D-A

There is a demo video on it which is quite fascinating!

Please share with me what you all think, or if anyone has done this, how they like it and should I spend my dwindling resources to purchase this?
Thanks!
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Alexus1325
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2009 10:12:23 PM »

THIS!

I want it. I want $139 USD so I can buy it. Cool, yes. Selling point? It's based on Fibbonacci's spiral Cheesy Geeky sewing FOR THE WIN!!!!!
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alorralora
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2009 02:38:58 AM »

teehee!  leave it to the Germans to make fashion uber geeky!  *and I'm German, so I maybe THAT'S why I like it!* Fibbo-hoo-dee-whatie??
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« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2009 07:53:50 PM »

Also called the Golden Spiral, based on Fibonacci's Sequence, which was just some Italian dude who figured out the math behind the Greek's Golden Ratio.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibonacci_number

According to the Wiki article, it was a principle recognized in many other parts of the world, too. Makes sense, though. Feathers, spiral shells, even weather patterns can express this ratio in physical form, and wherever there's people to observe it, SOMEONE is bound to notice the commonality.

In essence, The Golden Rule system for pattern making makes use of the Golden Ratio as outlined by Greek mathematicians to create the patterns based on the ideal proportions of the human body. It utilizes ratios in a very elegant way to create a paper pattern (commercial patterns are drafted to ideal proportions as well, but using math that is far less elegant). You'd still have to individualize the pattern to your personal proportions (waist, shoulders, back, etc), but at least the initial pattern can be created very quickly based on your bust and hip measures.

I wonder if my parents would buy it for me... Dad would be intrigued by the geekiness, and Mum would get clothes Tongue I wonder if they have a supplemental to allow for drafting men's patterns? *runs off to drool over the website again*
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alorralora
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2009 09:08:34 PM »

I would go for it!  They do have one for men, it's in the Special Editions section.  Doesn't the video featuring the guy remind you of those old science/puberty/duck & cover movies from any high school in the 50's?  Maybe that WOULD appeal to your dad and bring back memories!  hehe!

I'm just wondering why the waist isn't figured into it.  I have a short waist, which caused everything I wear to make me look short and dumpy Sad  So, I wonder if this would even work for me.  I should ask them that.
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« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2009 11:00:40 PM »

It would still work for you. You'd just have to adjust the pattern for a short waist. I would have to downright butcher these patterns, just like I butcher patterns already Tongue Fuller bust (that's a recent development, though), square AND broad shoulders, full hips, and full seat. Get one of those sewing encyclopaedias for fitting, cuz they are AWESOME! I personally own the Time Life: The Art of Sewing series from 1974 (which is at my mum's Sad), but I've just read a couple from the Singer Sewing Library from 1987 that I borowed from the library. TAoS: Basic Tailoring and SSL: The Perfect Fit are the ones with the info for altering patterns. Most commercial patterns are gonna need adjustment for you, cuz you say alot of stuff looks dumpy on you. Here's links to the two books:

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_b?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=basic+tailoring
http://www.amazon.com/Perfect-Singer-Sewing-Reference-Library/dp/B000G3E2TG/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1249192493&sr=1-5

Funny, here's all 16 in the Time Life series:

http://www.amazon.com/Art-Sewing-All-16-Volumes/dp/B000O3VQ2O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1249192599&sr=1-1

They are $185, whilst I paid $30 for 12 of them to an old Ukrainian man whose wife had been an avid sewer.
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nonesuch
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2009 05:20:24 PM »

I went to a demonstration once and felt ripped off.

First, it was marketed as a fitting seminar.  No mention of a sales pitch in the ad.

Second, the presenter made up a pattern for a vest, which fit okay, I guess, except it was too long for the short woman it was made for.  No problem, said presenter, she'd just need to shorten the pattern at the waist, and apply the same alteration on every pattern she used from Lutterloh.  Well, she could do that with a pattern she purchased, I think. She wouldn't have to spend time drawing it out.

Third, the updated patterns were rather expensive.  I think at the time they were $60 a season 25 years ago.  I sewed more then than I do now, but I never spent $60 in four months for patterns.  They go on sale fairly often.

There are few facings, no instructions for constructing the garment.

All that being said, I have one that my Mom found at a yard sale.  copyright MCMLXXXI translates into 1981, DH says.  The Dynasty-esque sleeves  and ruffles on some of the dresses would confirm this.  There are lots of dirndl skirts, pants gathered into cuffs at the hem, and a lot of jackets and coats.  It must have been the fall edition.

It even has the  tape measure, which is just a metric tape measure with a specially marked piece of plastic stapled to one end. 

Did you try Ebay?
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alorralora
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2009 06:59:30 PM »

well, I hadn't thought of doing that.  I did check and found some there.  I saw one with 1950's patterns!!  Must be in high demand tho because there was always someone bidding on them Sad
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« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2009 03:26:09 PM »

You might want to check the Pattern Review website. There are some Lutterloh users there.
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« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2010 05:37:12 AM »

Hi, I know this thread is a bit old, but I thought I'd jump in anyway.

I have this! I got mine off ebay for about $80. It's the 2000 edition, and while a lot of it is outdated, a lot are still pretty cool and a lot are still useful.

I haven't used it much, but that is mainly because I am really just an "advanced beginner" in the sewing department. Lutterloh is awesome for the number of patterns you get and the fact that you can use them all as many times as you want for as many people as you want, regardless of their measurements, since you draft them yourself. But it is entirely lacking in direction. If you still need to follow the pattern directions when you sew a garment, it may be better to wait until you've gained some skill. Even with a great reference guide on garment construction (I have plenty!), some of the patterns are hard to figure out. As in what is this piece even for and how on earth do I attach it kind of hard.

And I did want to address nonesuch's comment on the waist measurement. It's true. You will still have to do many of the same kind of adjustments that you would need to do with a commercial pattern. Anything you draft should fit the bust and hips, but the waist and other general fitting adjustments are all up to you. There are brochures that come with the system that have 3 patterns-- a vest, pleated pants, and a camp shirt. These are meant as fitting patterns. You make up each of the three, and then fit them as you would normally. Any adjustments you needed to make to those three garments, you would need to apply to every other lutterloh pattern. The nice part is that you can incorporate that adjustment to the pattern as you are drafting it, and the adjustments will always be consistent. And yes, you have to spend time drawing the pattern out, but in my experience, drawing it out takes a lot less time than preparing a tissue paper pattern. (That stuff drives me NUTS.)

I would only buy it if you were pretty serious about it. I think you can get a copy of the brochure for free, and try it out before committing. It is an expensive purchase, that is only really cost effective if you use it a lot. You're spending a lot, but you get literally hundreds of patterns. If you only end up using one or two, you may as well have bought paper patterns and saved the cash. If you use dozens, then they work out to be pretty cheap.

And the thread on patternreview.com that wifeofbath mentioned is indeed awesome and anyone considering lutterloh should check it out.
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