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« on: March 30, 2005 12:04:34 PM »

anybody else use this stuff?  you paint onto already-glazed ceramics or porcelain (even metal!) and bake at 350 for an hour.  so i buy plates, cups, whatever i can find on sale and paint them up.  makes great gift-giving.

i really like it, but i'm curious to find out what other materials i can use to apply the paint.  so far i've used sponges, brushes and q-tips, and i suppose i could rag it, too.  but i want to be able to paint a pretty, smooth background color onto my pieces.

any suggestions?  tips on painting slick surfaces?

thanks!
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« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2005 04:56:07 PM »

Hey there-

I've just begun using this stuff on ceramic.  I've used the Vitrea in the past on glass.  The problem I have is that it's hard not to show brushstrokes.  Pebeo sells little plastic bottles with fine metal tips, so that you can write with them.  They are finer than either the pens or the beading tubes they sell.  I really like them.  Getting a smooth background surface is tough; unless it's totally flat, you won't be able to get a completely smooth surface, you may have to go for a sort of water-color-like effect. 

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« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2005 08:42:58 PM »

I'm very interested in these paints but I was wondering if they're safe to eat off of/drink from.  From what I gathered from the website, it seems that the Vitrea is ok to eat off of but you shouldn't off of the Porcelaine.  Then I saw instruction books with plates and cups painted on so I got confused.  Does anyone have definitive information about this?
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« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2005 08:48:04 PM »

wow, that's really cool, where do you get this?
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« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2005 09:19:08 PM »

i have a set of plates that i painted and i eat off of them occasionally.  pebeo says it's dishwasher safe, but i only hand-wash them. 

craft-matic, you are totally right.  i can never seem to get precise edges or solid backgrounds.  i haven't seen the metal-tipped bottles. . . i use the markers and the metallic beading paint, but for the most part you have to free=hand everything.

sure wish i could figure out how to stencil with it.  maybe if i went ultra-thin and dry with the brushes or a sponge?

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« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2005 08:14:50 AM »

I made these plates with Pebeo paints several years ago. The pictures are pretty small and blurry, but basically they have Winnie the Pooh quotes and pictures on the plates and a larger picture on each cup. As far as I've understood, you can't have food touching the paints, which is why I only painted on the outside of the cups, and the plates are only for putting the cups on. I have never used them, though - I'm too embarrassed! They are pretty childish.

I hope you can see something from these pictures:

"I say, I wonder what's going to happen exciting to-day?" said Piglet.

"Tiggers don't like honey."

"This writing business. Pencils and what-not. Over-rated if you ask me. Silly stuff. Nothing in it."

"What with all this snow, not to mention icicles and such-like, it isn't so Hot in my field."

"Bother!" said Winnie-the-Pooh, inside the jar, and "Oh, help!" and, mostly, "Ow!"

He could see the honey, he could smell the honey, but he couldn't quite reach the honey


I did the writing with the clever metal-tipped tubes, I found them very good. I also used q-tips.

I had the same problem with the brushstrokes. I found the only way to get around it was to make it look like you meant it to be like that. You might be able to see what I mean from this close-up:


Oh, and I also found that Piglet, who was was light pink after I painted him, turned light yellow when I fired him.
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« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2005 11:03:00 AM »

those are beautiful!  you picked a good subject, i think, because classic pooh (and his terribly cute friends) are meant to have soft edges.  you did a fabulous job.

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« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2005 08:04:49 PM »

fascinating! thanks a lot!
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« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2005 11:22:46 PM »

those are beautiful!  you picked a good subject, i think, because classic pooh (and his terribly cute friends) are meant to have soft edges.  you did a fabulous job.

Thanks for the compliments, hercuteness! Show us some of your work too... Smiley

By the way, I just remembered that if you apply lots of layers of the paint, the brushstrokes disappear a bit. So the only way to have a solid colour with no brushstrokes (I think) is to put on several layers. Of course, this makes it really dark and opaque.

I also remembered that the smell of the paints is quite bad and used to give me fairly bad headaches. Use in a well-ventilated area, I guess.
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« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2005 05:55:40 AM »

i've found that you have to let the layers dry for a long time before applying another coat.  oherwise the layer beneath will start to pull away and disintigrate. causing really ugly blotches and causing me to throw my project across the room.

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i'm working on a large platter right now.  will post when finished!

like with most things i craft, everything seems to end up as a gift for someone else. . i never get to keep anything!
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« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2005 10:05:37 PM »

i have never used these paints, but just had a thought on making them less streaky.....
if they make a white paint, you could add a tad of that to your base color making it a little more opaque and less likely to streak......
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« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2005 05:44:01 AM »

I will have to try that.  thanks.

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« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2005 06:08:24 AM »

Craft-addict--These paints are labelled non-toxic, so I think they have to be safe.  I'd never heard anything bad about them until someone posted something on another thread, and I looked into it, and tney should be fine.  Anyhow, what you can do if you're worried about it, is make plates that won't be used everyday, and then when you use them on special occasions you can layer leaf lettuce or paper doilies or something on them, to protect the food.  Leaching in general is a bigger problem when you heat foods up in the article, which I wouldnt' recommend with these paints in any case.  The other option is to simply use them on the outsides of things, on surfaces that won't touch food.

Personally, I think they're probably just fine to use, especially if it's not everyday, with the caveat that you may not want to use them for kids plates if they food will touch the paint, since kids are so much more sensitive to toxic substances.
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« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2005 06:58:55 AM »

Thanks for the info.  I think I've decided to etch the glass instead.  I have no problem with using your suggestion for myself but I'm making a gift and I'm not sure that the recipient will remember.  I'd hate to poison my friend! 
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« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2005 07:22:23 AM »

finished the platter. . .check it out:

http://www.craftster.org/forum/index.php?topic=34045.0



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« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2005 07:28:13 AM »

finished the platter. . .check it out:

http://www.craftster.org/forum/index.php?topic=34045.0

Beautiful!
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« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2005 05:10:25 PM »

Evaberry--You're Winnie the Pooh collection is SO great!  I love them!  I only wish I had such mastery.  My attempts are futile next to yours (and yours, too, hercuteness)  *Sigh*  (keeps practicing....)
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« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2008 02:12:33 PM »

I guess I am not the only one with the brush stroke problem.  I am trying to cover large areas of a plate in solid color and some paints like blue and amethyst just will not flow like the yellow or orange.  Adding medium, glossy or matte just lightens the color.  I am using soft brushes.  Any ideas?  BTW love all your work out there!
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« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2008 09:48:32 AM »

Although acrylic enamels (and other acrylics) are non-toxic, none of them are 'food safe' including Pebeo.

- None of the projects should be painted where the paint can come into contact with food.
- Glasses should be painted below the lip to avoid contact with the mouth and most clear glass plates are reverse painted on the back.
- If you are painting dishware that is not transparent and you want to paint something on the front of the piece, either keep the design to the edges to avoid contact with food or use a clear charger plate on top of the painted one.

- You should also never add just ANY medium to a specialty paint unless it is made for that particular paint. By doing so you will ruin the integrity of the paint and it may not perform as it is suppose to. (It may crack, peel, chip, etc.)

- The brushes you use on glass, ceramic, and metal, are different than the ones you would use on porous surfaces such as wood. They have softer bristles to eliminate or minimize brush strokes but they are not as soft as a watercolor brush. 

I for one prefer FolkArt brand enamels over any other. They are thick, cover well, and don't have a strong odor. They are applied in one easy step, can be air-dried or baked to be made permanent, and once cured they are scratch resisitant and dishwasher/microwave safe.




 
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« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2008 06:16:29 PM »

I've used the peobo pens.  I have not had really good luck getting a good base coat.   I do not trust the paint being food safe.   I have had some pieces that have eventually had the paint come off.   So that being said if I want ceramics to be food safe, I paint them at a pottery studio.  Smiley  It looks much better than the peobo pens.
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« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2013 09:17:38 PM »

Hi there I stumbled upon this site and wanted to ask a few questions. I have used Pebeo Porcelaine to paint vases and have really liked them. I was buying them at Michaels Craft store for about $4.50 but they discontinued them. Has anyone found them for either that price or cheaper some where?
Also, has anyone used other ceramic or glass paint that is baked like Pebeo, that they've liked?
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« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2013 10:36:40 PM »

I found other art stores carry them - in Canada, I buy them at Deserres.  There are other brands, but I am not sure if they come in pens.  I have used another brand that I have bought off one of the shopping networks, and while it does the job, I did not like it as much as Pebeo, as it tended to bubble more.  I am going to have to try Folk Art Enamels myself, if I do more projects, because I did not realise until I came here, that they are bakeable for more durability.

I should also say that Michaels probably got rid of the Pebeo line as they are now carrying the new Martha Stewart line, which is made by Plaid, which also makes the Folk Art line, so you may even want to try the MS brand.  I haven't myself yet, but may give it a go.
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