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mizuiro
« Reply #20 on: March 31, 2005 04:57:25 PM »

It read like a Livejournal post written on a coffee break.  She's kind of tossing knitting out as just another trend to follow.  Along with everyone else, I too get annoyed at these everything-old-is-new-again type of op/ed pieces, but I try not to give them much credit.  I doubt anyone is going to be turned on or off the craft by that little bit of fluff.

Some people do like to create because they enjoy the act of creation.  I think we should keep that spirit alive in such an art-poor society, where people take to doing something because someone told them it was cool.

*sits and thinks a few minutes*

Oh, I didn't dig her attitude to her grandma's oversized hats.  Anything your grammie makes should be treasured!  Unless you have one of those mean grandmothers...hehe.  That's another reason I very rarely make things for other people.  They aren't going to appreciate it anyway.  I only make things for other artisans that will enjoy them.
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« Reply #21 on: April 01, 2005 05:12:28 AM »

Oh, I didn't dig her attitude to her grandma's oversized hats.  Anything your grammie makes should be treasured!  Unless you have one of those mean grandmothers...hehe.  That's another reason I very rarely make things for other people.  They aren't going to appreciate it anyway.  I only make things for other artisans that will enjoy them.

THAT'S the other thing I didn't like about the article.  Thanks for reminding me.  So you got some oversized hats.  Appreciate that she took the time to make them at all.  She probably didn't mean for them to be oversized. Maybe she figured it would give growing room and all those hours wouldn't be worn for one season then thrown in a box never to be used (or even seen) again. 
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meeja
« Reply #22 on: April 01, 2005 07:33:18 AM »


We've got a game going here now. My boyf looks out for random articles about knitting (which all begin Hey! guess whats suddenly fashionable? knitting!) and I guess which celebrities they link to knitting just because they were once seen with needles in their hands.
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lisascenic
« Reply #23 on: April 01, 2005 08:03:04 AM »

Once again, I find out that I've been talking crap.  Turns out there really are knitting trains in the SF Bay Area:

 http://www.capitolcorridor.org/

And, of course I was totally forgetting about the London Groups, Cast Off:
http://www.castoff.info/albums/02circle_line/index.asp



Meeja -- who is on the list? 
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apb3000
« Reply #24 on: April 02, 2005 05:02:17 PM »

So do you think that someday soon we'll see people rolling their eyes at the sight of a knitter and saying "oh, knitting, it's so OVER...I gave that up AGES ago..."

TIME OUT NEW YORK ACTUALLY DID THIS! Quilting is apparently the new knitting. In a piece about the rise of NYC quilting guilds, they did, in fact, say that the "knitting trend" is "tired," and that sewing (esp. quilting) is the hot new craft. I called my quilter mom - she was delighted to be so hip, and has never had the patience to learn knitting.

Starlings, you're right that the last thing we should be worrying about is being "oppressed" because we enjoy a hobby that has certain cultural connotations! When I knit on the subway, I think about whether or not I could defend myself against a would-be attacker with my knitting needles, rather than whether I seem trendy or weird.
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« Reply #25 on: April 02, 2005 07:21:57 PM »

My husband and I were talking about the trendiness of knitting; he seemed to think that after the trendiness is over yarn stores will close down or at least lose money...because a decrease in popularity would mean a decrease in knitters. I disagreed...because knitting (and craftiness, in general) is a lifetime obsession! Sure, I might vacillate between knitting, sewing, scrapbooking (which, despite waning 'trendiness' is still BIG business) but I'm never going to just give it up!  I did conceed that many people who pick it up, if just doing it out of trendiness, might give it up...but that's like with any hobby, it just won't "take" for some people.
As for 'taking back knitting' as a feminist (or anit-feminist) movement...well, I've read lots of Debbie Stollar's  projects (Bust mag and the book) and she's in line with most 3rd wave feminists who think that women originally threw down domestic activities to become 'equal' to men, but that in discarding 'women's work', they were saying that "women's work" isn't as valuable as traditionally 'men's work'...and now is the time to correct that inequality and restore value to ALL work, despite gender stereotypes..
But of course, I don't knit for feminist reasons--I knit because I like to! I just like that, as a woman, because of past feminists, i have the choice to do 'domestic' things,  or to manage a studio, or to graduate (at the top of my class) with a degree in something ridiculously useless (French)--all things that I chose and things I'm proud of.
*end rant Wink*
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« Reply #26 on: April 02, 2005 07:47:39 PM »

I just felt this article was lazy, the topic was tired, and I expect a little more from the Times.

She didn't push the discussion forward at all, just relying on the same trite references and images. (Does anyone *really* start knitting because Cameron Diaz does? C'mon.). It read like something that would have been written maybe three or four years ago. For heaven's sake, *everyone* has heard of the knitting "trend" by now. But she trotted it out as though she'd discovered it. How alarmingly out of touch! Didn't she even do a cursory google search to find that this article had been written many, many times before? And that those articles were better?

"No Idle Hands" is a wonderful book, but I got the sense the article's author merely flipped through it. She didn't get into the, well, knitty gritty of the feminism and domesticity discussion, choosing to gloss over it. It's a complicated and controversial topic that shouldn't be addressed at all if it can't be addressed fully.

And her anecdotes about her grandmother couldn't have been less heart-warming. She had nothing new to say and, therefore, shouldn't have said anything!
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lisascenic
« Reply #27 on: April 03, 2005 11:13:47 AM »

TIME OUT NEW YORK ACTUALLY DID THIS! Quilting is apparently the new knitting. In a piece about the rise of NYC quilting guilds, they did, in fact, say that the "knitting trend" is "tired," and that sewing (esp. quilting) is the hot new craft.

Oh please!  I've been quilting for about ten years, and knitting for about seven, and  while yarn stores have been springing up like mushrooms in the middle of the night, the number of quilting stores has stayed the same.

One of the great joys is knitting is how portable -- and thus social -- it is. Clearly, it would be challenging to bring one's sewing machine, fabric stash and cutting mat to the local coffee shop.  I can tell you from personal experience that dragging around a queen sized quilt and quilting in public just isn't that convenient. 

I challenge anyone to come up with the quilting equivalent (in terms of instant gratification) of the good old garter stich scarf!  I crank out knitting projects at a pretty furious pace, but am lucky if I can finish a quilt every other year.  (But my work is pretty complicated...)
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storybook_farm
« Reply #28 on: April 04, 2005 02:56:00 PM »

I have little to add --you all have made such excellent points--when I read the piece I was going "pah, pah, pah" with disgust--who the hell is editing these days at the NYT?  PeeWee Herman?


As to annoying knitting pieces--that would be almost all of them, wouldn't it.?


Although there was a charming article in The Newark Star Ledger a few weeks ago--it was in a Local section so it isn't online or I would have posted it.  It was a bout a club in a local high school that had to do a service project--one of the girls in the club likes to knit so she got everyone knitting blankets for babies for some charity org.  The boys all got interested, too and they started meeting up and knitting every day--there wasn't a single cliche in the piece--the writer interviewed some of the boys and they were talking about knitting as a great way to impress girls--very funny!

also, none of the moms would admit they could knit at first, but soon they started up--either knitting again or learning.

It was fascinating on many levels.
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