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« on: January 22, 2009 07:41:36 AM »


I'm having a small problem with my soapmaking and i really hope someone can help me with it!
I have been doing CP soap about four times, and all of them were failures :/ Im using the same basic recipe
water, lye, olive-, coconut- and sunfloweroil. It makes a very good basic soap, it hardens and cures in right ways, the thing is that i cant get the fragrance to stay! Its so frustrating!!!! And i dont know what im doing wrong either!

Can someone please, PLEASE, give me some tips on how to keep the fragrance in my soaps, it feels so meaningless to make it without Sad
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« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2009 07:43:22 AM »

how much fragrance are you using???

what fragrance are you using???

when are you adding the fragrance???
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« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2009 07:53:43 AM »

I second Smittenheart's questions. It can vary greatly on the temperatures of the soap, the type of fragrance you're using and the amount.

Is the fragrance CP approved? When you buy scents online often it will tell you if the scent works well in MP but not so great in CP.

Is it a citrus EO? Sometimes citrus EOs can fade pretty quickly.

A little more information and we can try to figure it out!  Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2009 09:59:02 AM »

Depending on the FO manufacturer and supplier, you may have to use more FO ppo.

From reputable FO suppliers, you should be able to use .5 oz to 1 oz ppo (per pound oil).  This gives you a light to strong scent.

Cheaper suppliers, you may have to add more.

I use between .5-.7 oz ppo and have soaps over a year old that are still fragrant.

Another trick is to use collodial oatmeal in your recipe to hold your FO.  (fwiw, oatmeal baby cereal can also be used).  You would use about 2 teaspoons of oatmeal ppo, weigh your FO and add to the oatmeal, add at trace and stir well.
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« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2009 11:48:32 AM »

fwiw, oatmeal baby cereal can also be used

Holy cow that never even occurred to me. I use colloidal oatmeal a lot, and I never realized it's the same damn thing.   Roll Eyes That's awesome because I have a bunch left over from my daughter. Thanks Mullerslanefarm!
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« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2009 12:06:07 PM »

np!!

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« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2009 05:17:58 AM »

how much fragrance are you using???

what fragrance are you using???

when are you adding the fragrance???

1. About 25-30 drops, since that's whats recommended in the recipe (Although I pretty sure I added some more in pure desperation -.-)

2. Adding it at the very last moment, just before I pour the soap in the mould, just to be sure it doesn't vaporize.

3. Vanilla, cinnamonleaf and green tea fragrance I bought from gracefruit.com
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« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2009 06:03:15 AM »

I've known gracefruit(Elizabeth) for quite a number of years - good gal and knows her soaping.

Could you post your recipe (including amounts that you used) How large was your recipe?  What does 25-30 of FO weigh?

You need to add the FO at light trace and make sure it is well blended into the soap batch.  Most FO have a flash point of 150*F-200*F, so it is not likely to vaporize
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« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2009 06:42:44 AM »

1. About 25-30 drops, since that's whats recommended in the recipe (Although I pretty sure I added some more in pure desperation -.-)

2. Adding it at the very last moment, just before I pour the soap in the mould, just to be sure it doesn't vaporize.

3. Vanilla, cinnamonleaf and green tea fragrance I bought from gracefruit.com

I typically do not work in "drops" unless I'm doing MP because it's hard to visualize! Someone on here (I think mullerslane, who definitely knows her soap!) mentioned using about 1oz. per pound of oils. So if you are using 30oz. of oils, I'd use 1.5oz. of fragrance.

Are you blending well after adding the fragrance? I will admit to being in a hurry once and adding my fragrance and then NOT stirring. What a snafu that was.

I've never heard of gracefruit.com (being it's a UK supplier), but if mullerslane says it's a good place, I'm sure it is. Smiley

My only other question would be are you observing "proper" soap temperatures; generally between 90-110F (32 - 43C)?
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« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2009 08:21:03 PM »

Wow, how soaping changes over the years.  When I started soaping 10 years ago, the 'proper' soap temp were 125*F-140*F!!!    Soaping at cooler temperatures is wonderful if working with finicky FO/EO that will accelerate trace, but you have to be careful not to go too low and get a false trace if you are using a lot of solid oils or oils that have a higher melting point, such as 96*F coconut oil.

I definitely agree that using .5 oz ppo is a great place to start in scenting your soaps.  If you want them a bit stronger, then you can add up to 1 oz ppo.

Elizabeth (gracefruit) has been around soaping boards for at least 5 years that I know of.  If you have any questions about how much to use in your soap recipes, I'm sure she'll be glad to answer your questions!
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