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calfaile
« on: September 28, 2008 09:53:06 AM »

Hi!

I've seen a bunch of hats/gloves on here with a different color inset (i.e. the pirate skull hats).  How do you get that second color in there?  I know how to do fair isle/instartia  flat, but when you're doing it in the round, the yarn is on the wrong side to pick up.  Are they just knitted flat and then sewn up, duplicate knit, or do you actually have to knit backwards half the time?  I'd love to know how to do this as there are many hats calling my name. . .

Thanks!
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« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2008 10:49:01 AM »

Fair isle or stranding is done in the round.  See helpful videos here. Smiley

Color work done flat is called intarsia.
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« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2008 03:11:40 PM »

I thought the difference was that in fair isle, you carried the unused color while in intarsia, each colored section had its own yarn and you switched back and forth (i.e. no floats).  In either case, I still don't understand how you get the yarn of the first color back to the other side of the second color without a) carrying it all the way around, B) breaking and restarting the second colour each round, or C) having really long backwards floats over the second color.  Or is that just the reality?
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« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2008 05:00:43 PM »

I thought the difference was that in fair isle, you carried the unused color while in intarsia, each colored section had its own yarn and you switched back and forth (i.e. no floats). 

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In either case, I still don't understand how you get the yarn of the first color back to the other side of the second color without a) carrying it all the way around, B) breaking and restarting the second colour each round, or C) having really long backwards floats over the second color.  Or is that just the reality?

Fair Isle/stranded knitting in the round you just carry the color(s) the entire way around, that's why you normally see it used with a pattern that encircles the entire garment.

Intarsia in the round is accomplished by either working flat and seaming or doing some rather convoluted tricks that amount to seaming as you knit.

For instance, imagine you are knitting a square of red at the center front of a plain black hat. You'd knit to the start of the square, switch to red and knit the first row of the square, yarn over and purl back across (or knit backwards), switch back to black and continue purling around until you get to the stitch before the red YO. Then you'd p2tog, YO, turn and knit back around until you get back to the square, switch yarns and knit across the square until you have red stitch left, SSK, YO, turn.... When you get to the top of the square you just knit across in black, making sure to SSK in that last YO, and continue to knit in the round normally.
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« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2008 09:13:29 PM »

cool.  That makes a lot of sense. Thanks!
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« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2008 01:17:54 AM »

I'm posting this so you can see the inside of a fair isle baby hat I made ages ago.  You can see how the yarn is carried the whole way round.



I think most people carry one colour in each hand.  I used to have both colours in my right hand but the two strands got tangled so I'm trying to switch over to one in each hand.  Fair isle is actually surprisingly easy, you should give it a try.

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« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2008 08:21:09 AM »

Thanks!  But if the graphic's only on one side, is it practical to carry it all the way around?
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« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2008 08:41:40 AM »

I'm a bit confused as to why you would want to!  Fair isle by its nature is a pattern that continues the whole way round, otherwise you would probably use intarsia. 

Is there a particular pattern you want to knit? 
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« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2008 03:34:25 PM »

I just like the look of a single graphic on one side of the hat.  Yeah, Intarsia's probably the way to go.  I just didn't know how to get the yarn back to the other side.  I'll try that purl back/ssK technique.
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« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2008 09:56:53 AM »

if you want to have a graphic only on one side of the hat, intarsia's not the way to go unless you're planning to knit flat and seam up.  Intaria in the round is tricky.

Look into duplicate stitching or swiss darning instead.  These techniques are done after the knitting with needle & yarn.
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