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devotedplanet
« on: March 12, 2008 02:37:09 PM »

So I am new to spinning. I got a Louet Victoria last week which I love. It was sort of impulsive, I had been using a drop spindle for about a month and had never actually seen a wheel in person. So it was... challenging at first, but fortunately, I love it and I think that I'm really starting to get the hang of it. Except.... for navajo plying.
I've tried several times I get the IDEA of it, and how it works, but I just cannot make it work. I treadle as slow as I can, but my yarn is super twisted and tangled. I have all these loops sticking up in the middle of it and the yarn is really HARD and stiff. It seems over twisted, but I dunno how I can spin any slower. Also, it becomes REALLY hard to treadle. Like, the wheel will jam or slow abruptly, causing it to start going in the opposite direction.
I suspect my singles might be... really over twisted as the yarn is kinking up and tangling before I can chain it. Should I set the twist and try to have it balanced before plying it?
Really though, I have no clue what is causing it to be so hard to get the wheel going in the right direction. It just... jams or something. I guess it's catching on something, but I have no clue what. I only have this problem when plying.
Any suggestions or tips? I'm getting really really frustrated.
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« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2008 02:59:33 PM »

http://www.joyofhandspinning.com/spin-navajo-ply.shtml
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devotedplanet
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2008 03:19:39 PM »

Yeah, I've seen that. I'm guessing my singles are way too over-twisted. The yarn between the lazy kate and my hand is always twisted mess, rather than smooth and relaxed.
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« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2008 09:01:52 PM »

I've not tried navajo plying yet (though I've got a single ready to go whenever I get the time). I did read on a blog that it's easier to start out if you have a single where the twist has deadened a bit. She suggested that you try navajo ply with a single that's been on a bobbin for a week or so, that way it's supposed to be a bit less inclined to twist back on itself when you don't want it to.
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« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2008 07:20:29 AM »

It sounds like you are pulling too much yarn off the bobbin before you can ply it. You want the yarn to be a little slack, but if there is enough hanging there to get knotty and twisty it will make plying from the single a biatch. If you don't have a tensioned lazy kate I would suggest winding the yarn off the bobbin into a center pull ball and trying to ply from that. The yarn will be a bit grabby when balled up and not so much will come loose while you ply. Treadle slowly and chain your yarn like you are crocheting it. Allow enough twist in it and then let it take up into the bobbin, then pull more yarn from your center pull ball and repeat. If your singles seem stiff and unwilling to be plied you may have overtwisted them. Chalk it up to a learning experience and continue trying, you'll get it eventually.
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devotedplanet
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2008 02:23:06 PM »

Hm, yeah... I don't have a tensioned lazy kate. That sounds like it might make a huge difference. I'll make one and then practice on some cheap red heart that I have to see if I can get the motions down. It sounds like it's a combination of the lazy kate letting up too much yarn and the fact that my singles are so over-twisted. Thanks!
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« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2008 06:47:31 AM »

Hm, yeah... I don't have a tensioned lazy kate. That sounds like it might make a huge difference. I'll make one and then practice on some cheap red heart that I have to see if I can get the motions down. It sounds like it's a combination of the lazy kate letting up too much yarn and the fact that my singles are so over-twisted. Thanks!

one thing I read recently (although I can't remember where Sad ) that I'm planning to try is to do it in 2 steps. Step1, wind the yarn from the bobbin into a ball doing the chains - don't ply - just wind a ball.  Step 2, Attach the end to the bobbin and ply from the ball.
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devotedplanet
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2008 08:37:17 AM »

I'm gonna try that, it sounds like it might be a lot easier. Because it's like... I feel like I'm don't have enough hands. I'm trying to pinch the twist off, keep the yarn from knotting up, and chain at the same time and it's just too much too fast.
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