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« on: December 09, 2007 07:26:28 AM »

I knit this baby hat as a gift. Everything was going fine and I'm pretty happy with the hat, except then I had to seam it.

As you can see in the pictures the seaming is terrible and crooked (the ribbing doesn't match up).  I really have no idea how to seam. I have watched videos online and looked at all the pictures in my books and I still don't get it. In its current state I don't feel like I can give this hat as a gift anymore.  Can I rip out the seam and try again?  Can anyone PLEASE give me some pointers and suggestions for finishing?  The hat was knit flat, the live stitches were thread with a needle and pulled tight to make the top of the hat. What I need to seam together is the right and left sides of the rectangle.







Update: I ripped out the bad seam in an attempt to start over, but I just am not getting it!

Here is a picture of the left side of the hat. The ribbing ends with purl stitches and it kind of curls over. The second picture is what it looks like when I flatten it. Do I seam the curled part or flatten it out?

This is so frustrating I'm on the brink of tears. It shouldn't be this hard, right?



« Last Edit: December 09, 2007 10:34:35 AM by jeljohns » THIS ROCKS   Logged
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« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2007 07:58:44 AM »

    Well, there are ways about going about seaming.

    Here's what I normally do.

    You'll need: a tapestry needle and some oddments of yarn. About six one-inch strips. A tape measure might help too.

    Steps.
  • Fold the edges of the cap over until they meet. You need to line up your ribbing and make sure those edges meet evenly, top and bottom
    When done, take your tapestry needle and an oddment of yarn (running through the tapestry needle), thread through the loose edges and loosely tie both edges together.
  • Eyeball your edges, and using the tape measure, measure two or three inches in length (along the edges) and thread through the loose edges and loosely tie edges together.
Make sure the edges meet, and that they line up evenly.

Try and sew from the bottom ribbing to the top of the hat. Try and keep the stitches even and not puckered (unlike your first efforts) and TAKE YOUR TIME.

Mattress stitch http://www.domiknitrix.com/howtos/mattress_stitch.cfm is lovely, it brings edges together, makes the knitting lay flat and is as easy as pie. For the first couple of times, you have to take your time with mattress stitch to make sure that it's even, but it's lovely. 
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« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2007 10:14:01 AM »

All the videos and books I've found show mattress stitch for stockinette. How do I stitch garter stitch? Also ribbing?

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« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2007 11:04:54 AM »

The concept of mattress or slip stitching (if you sew) is the same and will result in an invisible seam regardless of the type of stitch you use.
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« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2007 11:29:34 AM »

All the videos and books I've found show mattress stitch for stockinette. How do I stitch garter stitch? Also ribbing?



Yeah, it's the same principle for garter stitch and ribbing. Just take a deep breath, and frequent breaks!
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« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2007 12:50:15 PM »

But I don't understand WHERE to stitch. In stockinette there are the Vs and the ladder to guide you. I'm totally lost on this purl edge.
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« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2007 02:04:27 PM »

But I don't understand WHERE to stitch. In stockinette there are the Vs and the ladder to guide you. I'm totally lost on this purl edge.

Garter stitch is just knit stitch ad nauseum, and knit stitches tend to have the little 'v's. Try and work within those 'v's which is one stitch in behind the bar or the edging, ala reverse stocking stitch, and it should help.

ETA- this video explains it better than I do. There is also a purl edge which is similar to what you are doing. HTH! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k460JhPD4M
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« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2007 02:30:34 PM »

Yes, if you look at the diagrams of garter and stockinette on this page http://home.howstuffworks.com/how-to-knit7.htm you can see that they're basically the same every other row. You would take your needles into the Us to seam up.
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« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2007 04:12:20 PM »

I must be really dumb because I'm STILL not getting it. The video is shot too far away for me to see what she is doing. Does anyone know of a video of someone seaming purl stitches close up?
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« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2007 04:16:06 PM »

This isn't a video, but it's a diagram that I found to be really helpful: http://pinebaskets.tripod.com/knitting/garterseaming.html  Good luck with your seaming -- sorry that it's been so frustrating for you.

Also, if you've got a local yarn store or know of a SnB group, you might want to drop by and see if someone can show you seaming in person.  (And just set it down and walk away from it for a little while tonight...)
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« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2007 11:31:18 PM »

This isn't a video, but it's a diagram that I found to be really helpful: http://pinebaskets.tripod.com/knitting/garterseaming.html  Good luck with your seaming -- sorry that it's been so frustrating for you.

This is the same diagram I had to use when figuring this out. Basically, you're connecting the bumps. Really vague explaination, I know, but it's the basic concept. I think there's also a description over on Knitty.com, but I'm not certain.

I found the Knitty.com article: http://www.knitty.com/ISSUEspring04/mattress.html. Hope this helps!

Good luck!
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« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2007 06:01:43 AM »

For the garter stitch part, right on the edge, see there's a straight stitch and a little horizontal/bump/knot/purl-looking stitch? There's 3 of them in this pic -




(sorry, I know you're not supposed to re-quote an image, but I thought it would be easier to understand what I meant if the pic was right there)

When you put the 2 garter stitch edges together, they fit together like a zipper. Thread a needle and go through the first horizontal bump on side 1, then go through the first bump on side 2, then the *next bump on side 1, the next bump on side 2, repeat from *

That makes a flat neat seam on the garter part. I can't add anything else to what people have already suggested for the ribbing except maybe knit up a small swatch and practice on that so you don't feel like you're messing up a real project.
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« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2007 09:41:18 AM »

Thank you, that makes sense. It was the straight bars and bumps thing that was confusing me! I attempted to reseam it, but I ended up seaming both the bars and the knots.  Needless to say...this hat is hopeless and won't be given as a gift. It's a learning process!


Does anyone else get tripped up on visual stuff? I almost have to see something done before I understand.
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« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2007 10:23:54 AM »

you are a visual learner, & as you recognise that its a massive bonus in loads of ways, you will know how to approach things

most of the kids i teach are kinaesthetic learners, they have to 'do' before it makes sense

will go away now & remove my teacher head!! (& good luck with the demon seaming!)
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« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2007 10:34:41 AM »

I'm also a teacher and have kids that learn in all different ways. I'm visual and a "doer" which is frustrating because there isn't always someone to show you how to do something when you need it! Smiley With knitting and sewing I've found it to be a huge disadvantage. I have trouble learning from pictures in books or reading explanations.
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