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« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2007 12:24:12 PM »

More than likely, the reverse is true: they probably adapted their knitting machines to a pattern that a real life knitter made! 

From the (very, extremely) little I know of knitting machines, this probably can't be knit on a machine and it's being done by hand someplace anyway. Anybody who's more familiar with knitting machines please correct me, but I didn't think knitting machines could do much more than garter, stockinette and ribbing. Maybe that's just the personal-use machines and the commercial-use machines can handle fancier stitches, I don't know.

I'm pretty sure commercial knitting machines can handle more complex stitches.  Think of the number of cabled, lace, or multicolored knit items you see for sale at the local mall (and think of how perfect and even the stitching is on all of them, and how thin the yarn often is).  There's just no way those can all be handknit, even if the manufacturers are employing entire developing nations for seven-day workweeks working 15 hours a day.
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« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2007 01:11:46 PM »

More than likely, the reverse is true: they probably adapted their knitting machines to a pattern that a real life knitter made! 

From the (very, extremely) little I know of knitting machines, this probably can't be knit on a machine and it's being done by hand someplace anyway. Anybody who's more familiar with knitting machines please correct me, but I didn't think knitting machines could do much more than garter, stockinette and ribbing. Maybe that's just the personal-use machines and the commercial-use machines can handle fancier stitches, I don't know.

I'm pretty sure commercial knitting machines can handle more complex stitches.  Think of the number of cabled, lace, or multicolored knit items you see for sale at the local mall (and think of how perfect and even the stitching is on all of them, and how thin the yarn often is).  There's just no way those can all be handknit, even if the manufacturers are employing entire developing nations for seven-day workweeks working 15 hours a day.

I stand corrected  - thank you. That does make sense.

The more I look at it, it's not that complicated a pattern - a few border stitches that make the cable, a few stitches that stay in garter (or seed stitch, I can't quite tell from the picture) one or 2 stitches that stay in stockinette, then 15-ish for the actual lace (knit, YO, knit dec, garter, knit dec, YO, knit - or some variation thereof, I'm not trying figure out actual stitch counts) and again with the stockinette/garter/cable border stitches. It looks like a increase-5(?)-in-one-type increase to make that round-ish texture stitch at the top of the lace pattern.

It would be easier (for me anyway  Grin) to figure the stitch counts etc if I had the knitting in hand to see which stitches are in the same row - the way the increases/decreases happen, the rows curve so it's harder to tell.
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« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2007 01:14:26 PM »

I think the pattern is rather easy, but my English vocabulary may be a little poor to explain... I'll try anyway, if it won't be clear I'll try to sketch it tomorrow.

In my opinion the middle part should go like this:
*row 1. knit 5, make 6 mesh in one, knit 5
row 2. purl
row 3. knit 2, knit 2 mesh together, knit 1, purl 6, knit 1, 2 mesh together, knit 2.
row 4. purl
row 5. knit 1, knit 2 mesh together, knit 1, purl 6, knit 1, 2 mesh together, knit 1.
row 6. purl
row 7. knit 2 mesh together, knit 1, purl 6, knit 1, 2 mesh together.*

Repeat from * to *

I completely don't know how to explain how to knit 2 mesh together so they turn to the right or left, but I'm sure you know how to do it Wink

If it's a problem how to knit 6 mesh in one I can do a tutorial with photos, if it's not a problem that I'm continental knitter Wink
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« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2007 01:21:14 PM »

By knitting 2 mesh together I meant yarn over, I guess... Looking for a good polish-english knitting dictionary...
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« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2007 02:21:26 PM »

aw crap, I'm in love with that scarf now too!  Cheesy
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« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2007 03:18:07 PM »

Looking at the zoom on the Old Navy website, it appears that the RS end shown is in fact the bind-off edge, thus making that bobble-y thing a k5tog, from what I am able to see.  I am in fact going to run out to the Old Navy and see for myself what the stitch count is.  When I return, I shall let all you lovely craftsters know what my two cents in fact, are.
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« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2007 06:41:18 PM »

So one trip to the mall and $50 at Old Navy (most on my little sister's thanksgiving/early christmas/I miss you while I'm away present) later, I have returned VICTORIOUS! (pattern follows image- apologies for the quality- I used my tiny DPNs as they're the only free needles I have right now)



CO 23 stitches.

**** Treat all yo's as stitches throughout****

Row 1:  K4, P2, K1, YO, K9, YO, K1, P2, K4

Row 2:  P9 treating YO as a stitch, K7, P9

Row 3: K4, P2, K3, YO, K9, YO, K2, P2, K4

Row 4: P10, K7, P10

Row 5: K4, P2, K3, YO, K9, YO, K3, P2, K4

Row 6: Purl across

Row 7: K4, P2, K5, K7tog, K5, P2, K4

Row 8: purl across

Row 9: C4F, P2, K1, YO, K9, YO, K1, P2, C4F



*** C4F:  Slip 2 stitches from Left needle to a cable needle or dpn.  Knit 2 from left needle, K2 from cable needle.


Note:  I found that wrapping the yarn around the right needle 3 times on the center stitch (so the 15th stitch), slipping those 7 stitches on row 7 to a cable needle or dpn, dropping the extra wraps and pulling all those stitches with the needle to stretch the loops a little looser, then doing your K7tog from the cable needle as opposed to from the left needle makes it a LOT easier to K7tog.  Or enlist the help of a crochet hook for those 7 stitches, or a friend whose shoulder you can cry on later, because it's frustrating if you have a snug tension, like me.


You may also want to add 2 stitches on each edge to do a slipped stitch edge for neatness sake.
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« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2007 07:20:06 PM »

Weaselfeet,  Kiss! You rock! Smiley
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« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2007 07:36:45 PM »

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No prob!  I think I may have found what I'm doing with that Fever, too...though the K7tog may be REALLY beastly with that stuff...
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« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2007 08:18:51 PM »

I am massively impressed.

thank you so much for sharing!

So one trip to the mall and $50 at Old Navy (most on my little sister's thanksgiving/early christmas/I miss you while I'm away present) later, I have returned VICTORIOUS! (pattern follows image- apologies for the quality- I used my tiny DPNs as they're the only free needles I have right now)

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CO 23 stitches.

**** Treat all yo's as stitches throughout****

Row 1:  K4, P2, K1, YO, K9, YO, K1, P2, K4

Row 2:  P9 treating YO as a stitch, K7, P9

Row 3: K4, P2, K3, YO, K9, YO, K2, P2, K4

Row 4: P10, K7, P10

Row 5: K4, P2, K3, YO, K9, YO, K3, P2, K4

Row 6: Purl across

Row 7: K4, P2, K5, K7tog, K5, P2, K4

Row 8: purl across

Row 9: C4F, P2, K1, YO, K9, YO, K1, P2, C4F



*** C4F:  Slip 2 stitches from Left needle to a cable needle or dpn.  Knit 2 from left needle, K2 from cable needle.


Note:  I found that wrapping the yarn around the right needle 3 times on the center stitch (so the 15th stitch), slipping those 7 stitches on row 7 to a cable needle or dpn, dropping the extra wraps and pulling all those stitches with the needle to stretch the loops a little looser, then doing your K7tog from the cable needle as opposed to from the left needle makes it a LOT easier to K7tog.  Or enlist the help of a crochet hook for those 7 stitches, or a friend whose shoulder you can cry on later, because it's frustrating if you have a snug tension, like me.


You may also want to add 2 stitches on each edge to do a slipped stitch edge for neatness sake.
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