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« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2007 07:37:43 AM »

Yeow! I saw the veve (had to look it up, had no clue what that or loa meant) in the recent posts with pics...had to backtrack and read the whole thread...

Okay, I'm awake now!

What a fun bunch of people y'all are!  Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2007 07:47:03 AM »

Angelina & Billy Bob may have had dried (powdered?) blood in their vials in order to avoid the whole 'rot and stink' issue,but it's very likely that this is more 'blood on an bandage after a shot' than enough for an emergency transfusion.  More their version of Victorian hair rings or a reliquary.

I once had a crucifix which was also a reliquary for St. Anthony; it had a tiny locket (about the size of a large sequin/paillette) on the back which contained a small bloodstained piece of fabric.

The vials in question were probably more like a very small jewelry bottle than a 3 inch long test tube.  Vials for drawing blood are not airtight (they have a hole in the stopper, remember?) and are not designed to store blood indefinitely.  The reason the nurse or phlebotomist may draw several vials is that the different tubes have different chemicals in them, depending on what kinds of tests are being done.

Warfarin is an anticoagulant, like heparin or Lovenox.  It thins the blood and prevents clotting/causes the rat's blood to ooze out of all its organs (like SuperLupus said), but it does not lower cholesterol. 

BTW, back to the reliquaries, there are several relics of saints which are purported to be vials of their dried blood, and many of them are supposed to reliquify on certain days of the year.  Limited testing seems to indicate that the vials do not actually contain blood.

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« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2007 11:16:50 AM »

Yeah, there's no definitive veve--they're supposed to be redrawn from ceremony to ceremony. There are just some basic guidelines in place...Erzulie's hearts, Samedi is crosses, and so on and so on.

Dried blood? That'd be cool. How would one powder blood, though?  I definitely think it's more of a Victorian hair jewelry sort of thing. Emergency transfusion vial is an uber cool idea, but more for a vampire thing, which my book isn't.
But my book DOES have a lot of Catholics running around in it, so, damn. AWESOME info on the miracle blood reliquify thing. Sweetness. Man, Catholicism is so gothy, transubstantiation and all. [No offense to any Catholics. Is anyone offended? It's just so delightfully theatrical, on paper.]

ahaha. i want to write a short story with vampires and blood vials and garlic powder now. don't you?

i am delighted that my morbid little thread has gotten so much attention! as always, craftster proves to be a WONDERFUL place for ideas. i love you guys!

SuperLupus: your wealth of information is amazing. Seriously.

PS: I love veves, I love voodoo...probably because I've never been to an actual ceremony. I was raised Catholic and Santera, and eventually was disowned for being a vegetarian (/person that cries when people kill chickens] and an agnostic, so, uh...yeah. But dressing up as Baron Samedi is still fun. I am also delighted that someone looked up loa and veve. Craftster is culturally educational, too...
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« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2007 12:14:41 PM »

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what about drawing a veve in powdered blood?


Monkey Thumb wins the thread! veve in powdered blood is the cumulation of this whole thing! hah. maybe we can sprinkle a protective circle in garlic blood, too, just to involve everything. and some powdered aspirin.

also, I figured I maybe should do something to make this post more, uh, crafty.




Erzulie veve shirt I stenciled a while ago (freezer paper) and forgot to post on here. Heheh. Note also my new emo boy haircut which means I could be anyone, anyone...
(emo boy haircut! http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m67/spooookypants/craft/clothes/stencil%20shirts/randoms032.jpg  it makes me laugh.)
please ignore my gross slippers and forgive me the white, washed out, flashedness. I just tried to snap these quick now and they're all kinda bad.  Roll Eyes sorry, dudes


Some of you awesome people have PM'd me, so I'm off to write back to those...

voodoo is an official religion in Haiti, by the way...whether this was really a necessary proclamation on Aristide's part is debatable, but it's good to have it written down somewhere, probably. Probably.
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« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2007 04:14:39 PM »

Well, I hope some of this helps with your book, SquidPrincess.  I certainly know a little more about a lot of things!  I imagine conversations like this get you a lot of personal space on your bus rides.

Plus, I think I've come to the conclusion that Angie Bob Joliethort were either, 1. Wearing vials of corn syrup and food-coloring from the props department, or 2. Are each on an alarming amount of prescription meds that have the side-effect of preserving their eventually stinky, (thank you,Asbjorn! I think), bodily liquids, or 3. That they were wearing little vials of each other's mortar ground scabs, (which would be one way to powder blood).  eeyooow!

SuperLupus, you owe me a keyboard.  I was so engrossed with your explanations and descriptions and the "alarming" visuals of "lil streamers" of blood floating from pores while in a bath tub and rats liquifying from within, that I spewed tea when I got to your "(insert creepy laughter)" line.  Very funny!  But, wow, what I thing to live with!

Oh, and SquidPrincess,  I did notice a tiny tatoo on my avatars, butt-lette while she was frolicking around the fire, but when I asked if it said "CPK", she went kind of commando on me and demanded I refer to her as a "Fabricated American".

Great job on the shirt, by the way!  Dare I ask what paint you used?

PS,  Am I the only one that thinks 'Lovenox' sounds like some sort of voodoo eggnog?
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« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2007 11:01:20 PM »

Have to say the content just tickles me with this thread. Sorry for all keyboards injured in this and previous postings.

The medical vials used to draw blood are technically air tight. The stopper is made of a rubbery substance that will reseal as one withdraws the needle. Just squishes back together to make an air tight seal.

The problem with medical vials (more-so their stoppers) is that over time all plastics and rubbers dry, crack, shrink, etc. (haha I said rubbers) So that type of vial wouldn't stay air tight indefinately.

But small vials could easily be sealed off with that glass-rod- torch-sculpting thingy-ma-crafty.

mmmm garlic...
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« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2007 05:14:46 PM »

I googled "powdered blood".  Some interesting articles out there--did you know the Israeli military is considering sending soldiers out with bags of their own blood in a powdered state? 

Anyway, blood can be sprayed into some sort of drying chamber to form blood meal.  Or it can be freeze dried.  I also found a DIY method on a Phillipine government website about increasing protein in children's diets that pretty much consisted of
1.  put the animal blood in a shallow pan
2.  dry it over very low heat, break up as much as possible
3.  spread it out on a drying tray, cover to keep the bugs off
4.  after it is thoroughly dry, pulverize

I suppose you could coat aluminum foil or a shallow pan with a thin layer of blood, then put it in a food dehydrator or in front of a fan until it's completely dried.  It might be hard to explain to any visitors though.

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« Reply #17 on: November 26, 2007 09:09:50 PM »


I suppose you could coat aluminum foil or a shallow pan with a thin layer of blood, then put it in a food dehydrator or in front of a fan until it's completely dried.  It might be hard to explain to any visitors though.

Erika

My friends would not be surprised at all if they found a tray of drying blood in my room. 

This would be actually pretty easy.  Just a finger prick can produce loads of blood before it clots up.  (The blood banks sees a lot of me.  Just got my gallon pin the time before last.)  You could have some of my sweet, sweet A positive.  I always seem to be bleeding from random craft-related injuries. 
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« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2007 11:29:19 AM »

I'm O neg, and I loveloveloveLOVE donating blood. Hah. Don't have a gallon pin, though...I tend to go to the buses and not to the actual blood bank. I should go again soon...I sometimes make the unfortunate decision to donate blood on a day when I haven't eaten anything. : Roll Eyes I do not reccomend it.

I did not know that about the Israeli military. My dad's working in Israeli right now; perhaps I'll mention it to him...

The increasing protein in children's diets via blood thing? Yeah. Man. Creepiest thing in the thread so far. Gross. I'm a pansy vegetarian, so that pushes my "eww!" buttons.  Cheesy I am impressed. Erikau! You are great.

What a fabulous and interesting world it is! And now I know that I can cook my own blood into flakes! Pretty awesome.
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« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2007 11:54:57 AM »


note: lovenox or heparin, both are very available and in liquid form.

And VERY expensive... try about $300 a dose for Lovenox.  And you would need a prescription.  Even blood vials that are vacuum sealed expose blood to oxygen and won't keep it indefinitely.  Blood has a limit to its time out of refrigeration when giving blood transfusions due to its an organic material that begins to degrade rather quickly when outside the body.

I agree that the oral anticoagulants need to be metabolized by the liver before working properly... and as a person on PERMANENT coumadin(warfarin) therapy... the blood still clots, it just clots SLOWER with the use of anticoagulants.  It thins the blood but doesnt make it stop clotting.  The clotting factors are still present. 

My guess is, they gave each other a vial of their own blood, not a copious amount, but some that would dry out perhaps in the vial, a symbolic gesture, but not one to KEEP the blood viable beyond normal measures to do so.
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