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Ainadaliel
« on: September 23, 2007 03:38:40 AM »

Okay, in the robot pattern she wrote in CRAFT 1, it says "inc 3 evenly spaced: 54 scs."

What does that mean? I've tried increasing by three then doing 3 scs in each row, but I never end up with 54 scs! Please help! Sad Doherty's patterns are always the hardest to understand!!!
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tiffy482
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2007 08:54:39 AM »

That basically means you increase (2 sc in one stitch) three times evenly around.  For example, if you have 12 sc, to increase 3, you have 3 sc between the increases (2 sc in one sc).  You would then have 15.

I hope that kind of makes sense.  It's kind of hard for me to explain.
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Ainadaliel
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2007 11:46:51 PM »

That basically means you increase (2 sc in one stitch) three times evenly around.  For example, if you have 12 sc, to increase 3, you have 3 sc between the increases (2 sc in one sc).  You would then have 15.

I hope that kind of makes sense.  It's kind of hard for me to explain.

Ooooh thanks, Tiffy482! I had to write that out on paper with diagrams...I think I'm just really slow nowadays! Thanks again!  Cheesy
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« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2007 07:39:22 AM »

That exact thing is why I keep a calculator in my crochet bag.
If you take yours out and divide 54 by 3 what do you get? 18. Now take away 3 of those and that's how many you need in between your increases, 15 stitches. Smiley
the three you took away after dividing represents your increase stitches becasue if you increase 3 times you add 3 stitches.
Hope that helped an made sense! lol.
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Ainadaliel
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2007 07:37:37 AM »

Okay this is a really retarded follow-up question...so I did the whole "3 sc even increase" thingy...so I did 2 sc in one sc, sc in each 3 scs, then 2 sc again in the next...did this for 7 rounds, making sure to count evenly. So after frogging twice, I still end up with this weird round thingy:



This can't possibly be right! Can someone help me? Sad
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Muria
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2007 11:12:57 AM »

Usually when it's ripply like that, you're not in gauge. I'm presuming (not having seen the pattern) that it's supposed to be flat.  Generally, when it's not flat, there's too many stitches to lay flat (either because your gauge is off, or the pattern's off, or both).  Did you do a swatch with the yarn and hook you're using now? I doubt Beth Doherty is going to come to your house to tell you off for not using the pattern exactly as printed.  Smiley

Personally, the last time I did something like this, I just decreased the increases until it would lay flat (in that case, instead of 2 sc in each stitch around, I did 2 sc, sc, sc, repeat around, and it flattened out fine).  It's really up to you whether you want to alter the pattern, or play with gauge. 
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StarKat98
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2007 12:44:08 PM »

How many increases are you putting in each round?  It sounds like there should only be three, so your rounds would have a stitch count of ... 45, 48, 51, 54... and so on.  The 'ripplyness' almost looks like too many increases.  If that's the top of his head, it should be more 'bowl' shaped.  Hope this helps!
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Muria
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2007 01:17:10 PM »

That exact thing is why I keep a calculator in my crochet bag.
If you take yours out and divide 54 by 3 what do you get? 18. Now take away 3 of those and that's how many you need in between your increases, 15 stitches. Smiley
the three you took away after dividing represents your increase stitches becasue if you increase 3 times you add 3 stitches.
Hope that helped an made sense! lol.

If you're dividing 54 by 3 (getting 18), shouldn't you just be subtracting 1 (because you're doing it 3 times), getting 17 between stitches?
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Ainadaliel
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2007 07:05:35 PM »

WAAAAH I'm confused!
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Muria
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2007 04:12:58 AM »

It's kind of hard to tell where you're getting stuck since I don't have the pattern myself.  However, what you said:
 
so I did 2 sc in one sc, sc in each 3 scs, then 2 sc again in the next
will only work with the 3 sc evenly for a 12 stitch row. You have to adjust each row based on the number of stitches if every row is supposed to have 3 sc increase evenly.  So each row you make after the first one, you add one sc between the increases (This row is 2 sc in one, 3 sc, 2 sc in one, etc.  Next row would be 2 sc in one, 4 sc, 2 sc in one, etc.).

Does that make sense?
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« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2007 05:48:55 AM »

ARGH! I'm giving up on this pattern.  Angry
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« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2007 06:26:55 AM »

That exact thing is why I keep a calculator in my crochet bag.
If you take yours out and divide 54 by 3 what do you get? 18. Now take away 3 of those and that's how many you need in between your increases, 15 stitches. Smiley
the three you took away after dividing represents your increase stitches becasue if you increase 3 times you add 3 stitches.
Hope that helped an made sense! lol.

If you're dividing 54 by 3 (getting 18), shouldn't you just be subtracting 1 (because you're doing it 3 times), getting 17 between stitches?
I don't think so. Because you have to count how many times you are increasing and subtract that. At least I think. It's always come out right when I did it this way so honestly I don't know!
But it's really to early in the morning for my brain to do math. I have not even had breakfast yet. lol.

And I always keep my math-matical hubby around for emergencies. Smiley
Seriously I could not figure out how to do the circle on my first cricle skirt so he helped me with the math there too. Wink If one does not have a hubby it's pretty easy to ask a math-matical family member or friend.
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Muria
« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2007 07:15:18 AM »

I've never been especially fond of the "increase x stitches evenly across" directions.  I understand it for sweaters and stuff (because it has to do multiple sizes), but it sounds kind of lazy when it's for something like a plushy. 

I haven't had breakfast yet, either. For whatever reason, it doesn't look like it matters if you do 15 or 17, because if you do it every 15th stitch, you'd end up with an increase of 3.4 (3 with a few extra stitches, but not enough to do the 4th increase).  Actually, you can do anywhere between 13 and 17 stitches between the increases and still get the right number of increases.  Roll Eyes  You just end up with more stitches after the 3rd increase.   
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« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2007 08:09:31 AM »

I've never been especially fond of the "increase x stitches evenly across" directions.  I understand it for sweaters and stuff (because it has to do multiple sizes), but it sounds kind of lazy when it's for something like a plushy. 

I haven't had breakfast yet, either. For whatever reason, it doesn't look like it matters if you do 15 or 17, because if you do it every 15th stitch, you'd end up with an increase of 3.4 (3 with a few extra stitches, but not enough to do the 4th increase).  Actually, you can do anywhere between 13 and 17 stitches between the increases and still get the right number of increases.  Roll Eyes  You just end up with more stitches after the 3rd increase.   
sounds about right! It's not always perfect but it works pretty well when I'm trying to figure stuff out.
I always hate it when patterns assume I know what I'm doing. If I knew how to do the pattern why would I be using a written pattern in the first place? lol.
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Ainadaliel
« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2007 04:32:40 PM »

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I always hate it when patterns assume I know what I'm doing. If I knew how to do the pattern why would I be using a written pattern in the first place? lol.

EXACTLY!!! ARGH!!! At least put a primer somewhere before the pattern how to understand whatever terms will be peppered in the pattern! I've tried looking for the definition in her amigurumi book, and no luck! ARGH!!!
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« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2007 08:05:42 PM »

Have you tried doing a search for crochet abbreviations? You can find some pretty big ones online.
It's pretty common for people to use a slightly older or newer term rather than the standard. And it also varies by area as to what a stitch is called.
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Ainadaliel
« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2007 11:34:41 PM »

Have you tried doing a search for crochet abbreviations? You can find some pretty big ones online.
It's pretty common for people to use a slightly older or newer term rather than the standard. And it also varies by area as to what a stitch is called.

I have tried to look for abbreviations and such! No luck. I'm really frustrated and pissed because of all the frogging I've been doing. ARGH.

The finished product should look like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/runnycustard/788102102/in/photostream/
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StarKat98
« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2007 08:10:51 AM »

Ok, I'm sure we can get this worked out.  Are you supposed to get to 54 stitches after a certain number of rounds?  For example, is it something like , rnd 5-8, increase 3 stitches evenly, 54 stitches (at the end of rnd 8 )?  If so, how many rows, and what is the stitch count for the row before you start this instruction?
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colorlessblue
« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2007 08:20:21 AM »

yes, can you give us the start of the instructions?
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« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2007 11:10:23 AM »

these instructions really confused me too - i ended up writing the whole thing out long hand first  Cheesy
hope its ok to post a tiny part of the pattern here, i'm new so please forgive me if im breaking any rules Smiley
the first increase in the pattern just says;
rnd 4-10:inc 3 sc evenly spaced;45sc

row 3 finishes with 24sc - when i did the maths i realised that if i did 3 increases in each of those 7 rows i would add 21 st overall - 21+24 = 45.

although it sounds confusing it is as easy as adding 3 st every row. I prefer my increases not to be stacked on top of each other row after row so i changed the position of them in each row and just sort of eyeballed it to make sure they were roughly 1/3 the size of the circle apart.
Eg. on the rnd 4 i did 2sc in 1st st, then 1sc in next 6, 2sc in next, then 1sc in next 6,2sc then 1sc in the remaining st around. Then on row 5 i did a few sc before i did my increase and spaced the next 2 increases out further round.

I hope all that makes sense and all my wittering on didnt confuse you more - i'm quite good at doing that usually! Smiley
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StarKat98
« Reply #20 on: September 30, 2007 10:40:44 AM »

kate's post sounds right.  That's what I did with the patterns in Beth's book.
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