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« on: December 01, 2004 11:02:38 AM »

My first experiment with melt and pour soap went completely awry.

I was attempting to make the red and white layered soap featured in the December Martha Stewart Living magazine for some holiday gifts. All the instructions said to do was the melt the clear soap, add in your scent and food coloring, pour it into a pan and let it set for 20 min, score it with a fork and then add your next layer, repeat etc. for soap that is layered and pretty.

The recipe called for making the soap in a loaf pan so you would have nice little bars. I decided to make it in a 9x9 brownie pan so I could make more at once. Everything went fine until I inverted the block and went to cut it. As soon as I put a knife in there the layers popped apart. My boyfriend and I were making the soap together and the layers he had scored he pressed down much harder with the fork and those seemed to stick together better. We ripped it all apart and separated the colors so as to take another try at it but I don't want to botch it again.

I am wondering what went wrong. Should I ditch the brownie pan and use loaf pans like the recipe calls for? Should we just make sure to score each layer very very deeply so that they stick together? The only problem with that is that you see little hatch marks when you cut the soap.

Advice would be greatly appreciated. I am also researching this on the Martha Stewart website but craftster folks are so smart I figured why not run it by those who are here.

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« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2004 11:39:46 AM »

Is it glycerin soap?  I have heard that you can spray the first layer with rubbing alcohol, then pour on the second layer.  That should keep it from seperating.  Good Luck!
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« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2004 03:39:55 PM »

Yes, that's what I was going to suggest. Also, make sure the soap isn't totally hard before you're pouring the next layer=the soap you're pouring onto needs to just have a thick skin and be cool. The same goes for the soap you're pouring-it needs to be cooled down.
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« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2004 05:10:56 PM »

I made Martha's layered soap, but instead of using loaf pans, I used a cheap plastic loaf-shaped soap molds.  I'm not smart enough to get the soap out of the loaf pans without destroying them.  Maybe you were putting too much pressure on them when popping them out.  It doesn't take nearly as much pressure when you use a flexible, plastic mold.  Maybe you can try one of those instead.  You could also use yogurt containers, the bottom of carbdoard milk cartons, plastic cups, and all kids of other flexible stuff for molds if you don't want to buy them.  DON'T GIVE UP!  Melt & pour is fun and easy, you just started with a complicated one.  Good luck!
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« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2004 06:31:37 PM »

spray with some alcohol in a spray bottle, really!!  its just that simple step that keeps it from separating, scoring it with a fork is not enough.  spray with alcohol, then pour on the other layer. 
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« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2004 08:20:33 PM »

I never thought I would post on a forum like this... but...

My girlfriend tried to make these soaps and got frustrated with the same problem... the layers fell apart.  So I took over. 
I tried several things:
(1) scoring the layers
(2) really scoring the layers with a fork
(3) adding layers while still warm

None worked.

Oh, you need to lube the pan with vasiline.  That makes it easy to remove the loaf (with a few bangs on the table).

But this did:
I took the solid loaf, still in the pan and placed it in a 200 deg oven for 5 - 8 minutes... just long enough to melt the outer layer of soap.  Once solid, this layer kept the other layers connected.

The sliced soaps were a hit.

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« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2004 08:26:35 PM »

I've also read that putting it in the fridge for a little while to make it cold works. I tried this & it worked pretty well. I made about 5 or 6 bars & I think only one ended up coming apart. Good luck!!
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« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2005 09:31:26 AM »

You could try lining the tin with cling-film to get the soaps out (but then it'll have weird lines all over the soap. Tongue)
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« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2005 11:17:34 AM »

you act like ive never tried it, oh that girl says to srapy it with alcohol, oh well i'll try to do it while it hot, cold, score it more, etc.  i've NEVER had it separate on me when i spray it with alcohol.  it works, if you dont want your soap to separate i seriously recommend to spray it with some alcohol (i keep some rubbing alcohol in a srap bottle just for that purpose.)  i'm telling ya people, TRY IT!
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« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2005 03:02:16 PM »

Every 'soaper' i know keeps a spray bottle of rubbing alcohol on their soaping table/counter, etc.

Why?

1. When making layered melt and pour soaps it keeps the layers together.

Like this (my 'Ocean Bottom' soaps, three layers, cp shreds in the bottom, colored clear mp in the middle and 'whipped' goats milk mp on the top) :


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2. When making ALL melt and pour soaps, a quick spritz of alcohol on the molds after pouring eliminates all those pesky air bubbles that can ruin a pretty soap.

You need to let the first layer cool down until it has a thick film on it that is firm to the touch, then spray it with alcohol. Make sure the second layer has also cooled down-filmed over at least twice is my trick-as you don't want it to melt the first layer.

So yes- JodiJean- IT DOES WORK! lol
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