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« on: November 28, 2004 08:31:07 PM »

This is one of my works in progress. I made all of the pills inside.  This is to signify how humans are relying on drugs and medication to cure their woes, when I believe that many problems (NOT ALL PROBLEMS) can be solved with other methods.  I'm going to put more pills in it, and create a professional looking label that says "Happiness 1cent"

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« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2004 08:32:30 PM »

Wow.  I like it.  It really says something.
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« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2004 08:35:23 PM »

Wow.  I like it.  It really says something.

Thank you.  I have many friends who claim to be manic depressive.  Sometimes I think they just need a little soul searching, and some good love.  I understand that not all people can be cure this way.  But in this day and age, it is truely disturbing how anyone can walk into a doctors office with a frown on their face, and instantly receive a prescription for drugs.

And I know not everyone will agree with my view *bites tongue*
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« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2004 08:50:12 PM »

Have you ever listened to the Verve? I love the Northren Sould album artwork, very simmilar. Here's some lyrics from the song Lifes an Ocean
from their album Nothern Soul:
Imagine the future
Woke up with a scream
I was buying some feelings
From a vending machine


However, you know its really ironc how much money antidepressants/antipsychotics cost. more like $100 instead of 1cent.
And most peeps who are diagnosed as bipolar really have either major depressive disorder, or were going through a stage of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder or some other sort of temporay psychosis. BP Disorder is one of the most over diagnosed disorders in the US at this time.
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« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2004 08:55:28 PM »

Have you ever listened to the Verve? I love the Northren Sould album artwork, very simmilar. Here's some lyrics from the song Lifes an Ocean
from their album Nothern Soul:
Imagine the future
Woke up with a scream
I was buying some feelings
From a vending machine


However, you know its really ironc how much money antidepressants/antipsychotics cost. more like $100 instead of 1cent.
And most peeps who are diagnosed as bipolar really have either major depressive disorder, or were going through a stage of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder or some other sort of temporay psychosis. BP Disorder is one of the most over diagnosed disorders in the US at this time.

Well, Where I live in Canada, quite often the government takes care of our medical bills. And most jobs pay a percentage of our prescriptions.  The reason I put it as 1cent and not 100.00 is to display how easy they are for people to obtain, even if they really may not need them.  This art piece may not have anything to do with BP, or post traumatic stress disorder. I'm just saying that people are turning to drugs solely for all of their problems when quite often I think there are other methods that could be used.

For example, my grandmother is a hypochondriac who tends to abuse the health care system.  This is really an encompassing piece because the pills aren't labelled. Without any formal explanation they could stand for any drugs, really.
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« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2004 08:58:18 PM »

wow. That is so right on. Nice piece, it totally speaks to me coming from many "depressed" people in my life!!!
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« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2004 09:22:03 PM »

I love symbolism. This piece is so great. How did you make the pills?
I am really impressed and I totally get what you are trying to say, not only through your explainations, but the piece itself. I'm sure you're very proud of this piece, and so you should be! Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2004 09:25:18 PM »

sorry to post twice in a row but I just had a thought; if you're into photography you could create a whole collection of pictures that are related to or the actual piece. Black and white pics are usually very effective, shots like close ups of the pills and funky angles... dunno.. just rambling Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2004 09:33:56 PM »

No, I totally got the concept of the piece, thats why i posted those verve lyrics. I love their album artwork cuz its got richard Ashcroft standing in front of a Coke vending machine, but its got bottled emotions in it instead. Totally as a society we frequently turn to happy pills to solve all lifes problems. Me included, lord I dont know where Id be if it werent for xanax. Sweet xanax got me through college! I mean legally of course.... I mean as stress' little helper of course.
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« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2004 09:42:42 PM »

I love symbolism. This piece is so great. How did you make the pills?
I am really impressed and I totally get what you are trying to say, not only through your explainations, but the piece itself. I'm sure you're very proud of this piece, and so you should be! Smiley

No prob.  The pills were made with poly clay.  I just rolled a piece of clay into a pill shape, chopped it in half and connected one of each color together. Then you bake em and they are solid.
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« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2004 09:44:22 PM »

That is really awesome! I'm gonna send a link of this page to my mom... she's into psychology... as a profession and all... Thanks for sharring! You really do have a point! Too many people don't know what their problem is and drugs are easier to take than truth! Wink
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« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2004 08:09:15 PM »

I really like it. Really. it's stunning. Very stunning. Wow.
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« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2004 09:26:35 PM »

Great work, Exousia!  I agree with ViolinRomance that a series of photos exploring this idea would be really neat.  But (uh-oh, soapbox tendencies coming on...) I disagree with some of the views expressed that anti-depressants are over-prescribed.  In my experience, many people who *need* them don't get them because they don't want to be considered "weak" or hypocondriacs, etc.  While it's important to make sure that people aren't taking drugs just to take them, it's also important to ensure that people who need drugs/counseling have access to them and don't have to face stigma and negative stereotypes.

That said, I think the piece is really neat and all works well together.  It'd be a neat installation with a row of these on a wall, with different colored pills inside, etc.  And I like the Red Cross in there -- subtle. 
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« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2004 06:27:26 PM »

BP Disorder is one of the most over diagnosed disorders in the US at this time.

That would be because of the DSM, you only have to have a single manic episode, and you're considered manic depressive for the rest of your life. You could spend the rest of your life living depressed, but you'll always be considered bipolar.

On topic, one of my friends did something like this in her apartment, but she had a Mickey Mouse gumball machine (really creepy), and used a bunch of different pills. I don't remember what she made them out of. Your pills look a lot better than hers.
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« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2004 08:35:37 PM »

Do you mind if I use that picture on my livejournal profile?  I will credit... Smiley  I just love that piece.
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« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2004 01:35:30 AM »

 I don't think anyone should be ashamed to take their perscribed meds and shudder to think what the world would be like if people suddenly stopped takig their Prozac or something. I've know so many people who were prescribed heavy meds with no counseling or anything. I'm sure there are times we could all use a "happy" pill, but does that mean we need one? We have to experience sorrow to know joy. If someone's life is totally depressing, maybe they need to try living a diff way first.

We're inundated with the medicine ads suggesting what ailments we really have. You don't have to be a hypochondriac (sp) to succumb to those messages. (That @#$%^% paxil dot for one.) I think we've occupied the drs and med mfr with  passing around these happy pills and they don't properly address those with legtimate problems or try remedies other than placating meds. 

I think some people legitimately need meds, but maybe conseling could help too. I really don't think there is much stigma with these meds anymore. I hear people talking openly about it all the time. There's even a special low dose version of Prozac marketed to woman with a PMS disorder. Prozac and the assorted ADD meds seem to be normal suburbia fodder like SUVs and manicured lawns. It's almost a status thing.
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« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2004 11:59:57 AM »

great piece, way to make people think...what about all those parents putting their kids on all that crap. We have a whole new generation of zombie-medicated children... Ideas are now running around my head now...you could make one that's for kids too, with gumballs and ritalin...
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« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2004 07:21:23 PM »

Do you mind if I use that picture on my livejournal profile?  I will credit... Smiley  I just love that piece.


I'd be flattered : )
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« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2004 07:28:30 PM »

The sad thing is, that sometimes the only option for people is to take the meds. I'm looking to go into the field of mental health, (someday soon too, scarey!) and this is something we talk about all the time in my classes. It would be GREAT if people could go to counseling on a regular basis, it's good for everyone to have some time to talk--- even people without any "severe" problems. Unfortunately, insurance companies are not willing to pay for psycho therapy. So, if you have depression and need help overcoming it, the answer is medication.

on a side note... if your a college student MANY universities offer psychological services for free.... I think it's something everyone should take advantage of, it's probably the only time that you'll be able to get those services for under a triple digit an hour.

sorry to go so off topic.I really do like this piece and its message. A lot of people do just look for a pill to fix their every ailment, psychological or physical.

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« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2004 07:39:40 PM »

The sad thing is, that sometimes the only option for people is to take the meds. I'm looking to go into the field of mental health, (someday soon too, scarey!) and this is something we talk about all the time in my classes. It would be GREAT if people could go to counseling on a regular basis, it's good for everyone to have some time to talk--- even people without any "severe" problems. Unfortunately, insurance companies are not willing to pay for psycho therapy. So, if you have depression and need help overcoming it, the answer is medication.

on a side note... if your a college student MANY universities offer psychological services for free.... I think it's something everyone should take advantage of, it's probably the only time that you'll be able to get those services for under a triple digit an hour.

sorry to go so off topic.I really do like this piece and its message. A lot of people do just look for a pill to fix their every ailment, psychological or physical.



It really depends on the country you live in as well. In Caanda its a lot easier to get counselling services and psychological services too.  Yet people are still relying on doctors who prescribe pills for everything under the sun.  Why do 78 year olds need to take anti cholesterol pills for example?  We're a society obsessed with pharmacy.
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« Reply #20 on: December 11, 2004 11:28:19 AM »

Wow, it's sooooo incredibly hard to get counseling services in my area.  Everyone is booked solid and it takes like six months to get an appointment.  That is absolutely ridiculous...by that time, someone with a serious problem could have committed suicide or done something else drastic  Embarrassed

Just another reason why so many people in the US think Canada is awesome Cheesy
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« Reply #21 on: December 11, 2004 11:47:42 AM »

Wow, it's sooooo incredibly hard to get counseling services in my area.  Everyone is booked solid and it takes like six months to get an appointment.  That is absolutely ridiculous...by that time, someone with a serious problem could have committed suicide or done something else drastic  Embarrassed

Just another reason why so many people in the US think Canada is awesome Cheesy

That is pretty terrible : \
I honestly don't think the help is easy, or attainable in my area.   Sometimes its just impossible to get help.
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« Reply #22 on: December 11, 2004 12:35:07 PM »

That is so awsome! I think it would be cool it you made pills of all differant colors, to show the massive variety of medications available! It would be cool if you had a message on the pills or inside them (if you where planning on giving them out at a gallery opening or something). That might be a bit much, but I thought I'd throw it out there! I did a safe sex piece in college (which ended up getting broken) but in the student gallery I had information attached to forms of birth control that people where free to take...so even if you made up a little pamphlet of info that people could take (again that's only it your exhibiting it in a gallery)...just some thoughts! It's a really great work of art, as well as statement! I have been chronicly ill all my life, and doctors keep saying my problems are ideopatic (another words, they don't feel like actually figuring out whats wrong with me because it's easier to pull out the prescription pad!) And I'm always asking them how they can write me a prescription when they don't even know the sorce of illness! Well, they're just trying to treat symptoms! The problem is just about every drug they've given me (experimental, to see if it helps) only causes more pain, nausia, and a whole list of other problems! I said to my doctors," just give me a lethal injection and end my suffering! If I where a cat or a dog I would have been put down by now! Don't torcher and humiliate me with all these drugs and tests that have done nothing but add to my misery for all these years! At a minimum, you could just give me some pain killers and send me home to die, because if you where honest and you really gave a damn about your patient, you would tell me up front that there is nothing you can do for me but give me pain medication and send me home to die!" But they don't want to give me pain medication because it's addictive, yet, they give me medications that only cause more pain and suffering! So I refuse to be a lab rat for the medical field! I found something all natural that helps ease the pain a bit, and that's all I'm going to consume! Herbs...natures medacine!  Wink
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« Reply #23 on: December 11, 2004 02:20:04 PM »

That is so awsome! I think it would be cool it you made pills of all differant colors, to show the massive variety of medications available! It would be cool if you had a message on the pills or inside them (if you where planning on giving them out at a gallery opening or something). That might be a bit much, but I thought I'd throw it out there! I did a safe sex piece in college (which ended up getting broken) but in the student gallery I had information attached to forms of birth control that people where free to take...so even if you made up a little pamphlet of info that people could take (again that's only it your exhibiting it in a gallery)...just some thoughts! It's a really great work of art, as well as statement! I have been chronicly ill all my life, and doctors keep saying my problems are ideopatic (another words, they don't feel like actually figuring out whats wrong with me because it's easier to pull out the prescription pad!) And I'm always asking them how they can write me a prescription when they don't even know the sorce of illness! Well, they're just trying to treat symptoms! The problem is just about every drug they've given me (experimental, to see if it helps) only causes more pain, nausia, and a whole list of other problems! I said to my doctors," just give me a lethal injection and end my suffering! If I where a cat or a dog I would have been put down by now! Don't torcher and humiliate me with all these drugs and tests that have done nothing but add to my misery for all these years! At a minimum, you could just give me some pain killers and send me home to die, because if you where honest and you really gave a damn about your patient, you would tell me up front that there is nothing you can do for me but give me pain medication and send me home to die!" But they don't want to give me pain medication because it's addictive, yet, they give me medications that only cause more pain and suffering! So I refuse to be a lab rat for the medical field! I found something all natural that helps ease the pain a bit, and that's all I'm going to consume! Herbs...natures medacine!  Wink


Maybe what you need has nothing to do with medicine. Perhaps it involves some soul searching, some goal setting and some righting of things that aren't going well in your life?  I found that the things affecting me in my life are quite often very mental things. And when I'm thrown off in one area of life it immediately throws of my physical health and my emotional health. 

I'm no doctor. But perhaps try righting the feelings you have in your life, and searching for that truely happy place is better than medicine.  Besides, think of all the time you wait for doctors to make their decisions. By the time you've waited and paid for them, you probably could have found a way to become happy with your situation.

This doens't solve everything of course.  And many medical conditions should be treated and cared for by professionals.  I'm just saying, maybe we should include some alternatives in our lives. And make sure everything is right with ourselves, before resorting to the opinions of others.
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« Reply #24 on: December 12, 2004 09:36:45 AM »

Well, first of all, I have tried all the above! Meditation, yoga, vegitarianism, therapy, chakra balancing, shamanism, wicca, buddhism...you name it! The thing is I'm like 99.9% posative that I have an autoimmune disorder, and they keep insisting that I have IBS, which, after trying treatments for 3 years, all of which cause more problems, I keep saying to the current doctors that the previous ones I had seen have already tried all this and it doesn't work! It's like they don't want to listen to me or accept that they can't just lable me with some catch all illness and send me on my marry way! I've read extensive amounts of information on illnesses and deseases, and compaired all my symptoms, etc...I have narrowed it down to 3 possible illnesses, and they won't test me for any of them! I have medical insurance that will cover the cost 100%, and once they determine what I have, they can treat it more effectively! None of the illnesses are cureable, but there are treatments that help reduce pain and nausia. Although I present them with all these facts and information, they continue to insist on treating me for IBS, even though most of my symptoms can not in any way be associated with IBS, and none of the treatments are effective and all of them create more symptoms! Every medication they've given me has causes more abdominal pain, nasia, and diareah, lightheadedness, and I've just plain refused to take anything anymore! I drink my herbal teas and meditate! The only medications I take are protonix for GERD, and I use my inhalers when I need to! Everything else just sits on the shelf in the medicine cabanet with notes as to which ones caused which problems, so I can throw it in thier faces when I'm lying on my death bed!  Undecided  But yeah, I've tried all the alternative medicine...and it does help state of mind, but there are times the pain is so bad that I litterally pray and beg to die because I can't cope with it! And the fact that the doctors won't even give me anything for pain really makes me mad because it's not like I would sit at home eating vicodin like it's candy! They've given me vicodin every time I've had a pancreatitis attack and I only took them when the pain became unbareable! And the prescription allowed me up to 6 a day, but most days I only took 1, but never more than 2! And I asked them for one prescription of 15 pills to sit in my medicine cabinet for when I get attacks of chronic abdominal pain, but they give me other medications that cause more pain and nausia! I don't understand it! They won't do the test that need to be done, they won't treat the pain, they won't listen to anything I tell them, and they wonder why I get an aditude with them and move on to another doctor! Is it because I'm a female and I speak my mind? Is it because I'm only 26? Is it because they just don't care? I don't know!  Undecided
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« Reply #25 on: January 15, 2005 01:29:38 PM »

Exousia,
 I LOVE LOVE LOVE your piece.  Although I agree that most of North America (possibly all Western nations) are over medicated and held that view as my personal philosophy on medical practices.  It caused a bit of a problem for me though, I had suffered from depression starting in my mid teen's and didn't think I needed meds.  I didn't think I was like my mom (who is DEFINITELY bipolar).  I tried lifestyle changes, counselling through my university, pretty much everything except medication.  Finally, I ended up in the psych ward of the local hospital.  So, I'm on anti-depressants now but my psychiatrist, therapist and I are working on weaning me off the meds now to see if I'm okay on a super low dose or just a mood stabilizer.  But in general, through my experience I met FAR too many people who were prescribed pills because they were going through a tough time in their lives (ie, broke up with their boyfriend).  People don't seem to understand that life does normally include those crappy periods...you just go through it and move on with life.

Amazing job though.  I also checked out your site...you have some great stuff!!!  (sorry, I'm not trying to be a stalker...was just wondering where in Canada you were from).
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« Reply #26 on: January 16, 2005 04:18:57 AM »

It caused a bit of a problem for me though, I had suffered from depression starting in my mid teen's and didn't think I needed meds.  I didn't think I was like my mom (who is DEFINITELY bipolar).  I tried lifestyle changes, counselling through my university, pretty much everything except medication.  Finally, I ended up in the psych ward of the local hospital.  So, I'm on anti-depressants now but my psychiatrist, therapist and I are working on weaning me off the meds now to see if I'm okay on a super low dose or just a mood stabilizer.... 
I suffer from bipolar and the antidepressants never seemed to help because the chemical imbalances are diffarent from just clinical depression. They would help for maybe a month or 2 and then I would go into deep depressions with no relief other than the manic episodes. (I have a lot of other health concerns as well so medications for just about anything, I think, only cause more harm/symptoms then they actually help!) But I had gone threw art therapy a couple of times, and I find ceramics very theraputic, but the art therapy really helps you to become more self-aware and it has helped me a great deal. Diet and meditation also help in stablizing your moods. I've been off meds (for bipolar) for over a year now, and my moods have been stablized pretty well. I get a little depressed every so often and sometimes I get a bit hyper, but it's pretty close to normal...probly as close as I can get!  Cheesy And art really helps me to focus my energies and not fall into a deep depression. This board has really been helping a lot too because I usually log on everyday to check messages and see new post, which is a really great motivation. I use to get so depressed I'd stay in bed for days without getting dressed, eatin or showering for days until somebody made me get up and take care of myself. Then randomly I'd get so manic I'd be dancing on furniture and howling at the moon, etc, etc. All the meds made me feel numb inside, like my soul was tranquilized and straped down! I truely believe that emotional and psychological problems can be treated without medications. "A Beautiful Mind" is a wonderful movie that really gives the viewers a prespective of what life with mental illness is like. And there is no cure, you just have to learn to live with it and get to the point in which you are in control. I always know a manic episode is coming on because I start shaking and I can'd sit or stand still...kind of like an anxiety attack but hyper.... and when I feel that sensation I either take a walk, write in my journal, or grab a sketch book or paper, a napkin, anything I can write on....some of my best poetry and sculpture came about during a manic episode! It's all about learning to focus the energy and choosing how you want to react apposed to allowing yourself to loose control.
Sorry my post are so long, I tend to get emotional and write a lot!  Undecided Especially when I'm angry at doctors (like in my previous post!)  Undecided
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