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« Reply #30 on: July 10, 2007 06:53:02 PM »

what's offensive to some, obviously isn't offensive to others. I think you should post whatever you make, but just write in the subject that it may be offensive to some. That way there's no controversy or drama.
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« Reply #31 on: July 10, 2007 06:56:44 PM »

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Have you considered that the creator of that "doll" may be a person of color?
From what I understand artifacts of US slavery and blackamoor objects are highly collectable. And it isn't racists whites that are buying and collecting them.
I believe that is due, at least in part, to people choosing to embrace heritage rather than denying it.
Even if the creator is a "person of color" does not mean they are considerate, or have good taste. I could think of many instances that would not be just about primative art that would apply here, and quite possibly may even offend you.

That being said, offensive can be in the eye of the beholder. Not everyone will appreciate the same things, or see the value in a particular art/craft.

For me it is as some others have eluded to, if I think the post may not be for me I skip it all together. Or if I happen to click and not appreciate it I simply click back.
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« Reply #32 on: July 10, 2007 07:03:40 PM »

i'm offended by crafts like this:  http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=5525281

some crafters mean well- but you have to use discernment..

Personally I see it as whimsical.  Her descriptions are a little blunt but I don't think she means any offence by it.  I've never considered the other dolls being offensive though either... just old fashioned and interesting and made with what materials were available at the time.  http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=6321589

I'm also from Minnesota though, where 95% of the population is Scandinavian and everyone still takes pride in how many "Ole and Sven" jokes they know.  With out sounding extremist... everyone should be racist to some extent and take pride in their heritage and accept and laugh about the bad things that came with it... nobody is perfect.  Even as gnarly as Vikings were.. they also had a reputation for getting friendly with sheep.  It's that ethnicity shared for generations that works for each society and what they learn from it that makes them prosperous, a "those who forget history are deemed to repeat it sort of deal."  It doesn't matter what you were, but who you are now. 

I don't have anything wrong with anyone posting offensive projects.  Whether someone thinks it's in bad taste or whether they just think it's ugly, you can't please everyone.  But they also have to be responsible for who might see it.  If it's not rated G, a link to an external site might be a good idea so it wouldn't show up on latest projects and lessent he chance of it getting clicked by accident and giving the poster an oppurtunity to explain the situation before anyone goes fruther.
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« Reply #33 on: July 10, 2007 07:17:01 PM »

This is just my two cents... I'm not easily offended unless it's something about child porn or spousal abuse, but my general opinion is that the point of art is to provoke emotion, whether that's good, bad, sickening, happy, thoughtful, etc. If we didn't provoke some kind emotion, I don't think any of us would keep coming back for more and spending countless hours with our creations.

But, on the other hand, I think things that could be considered offensive should be labeled as such, not just for kids, but for people at work where they might be monitored. I'm sure 99.99999% of Crafsters and the people I've seen on Etsy don't mean offense to anyone, though. I actually haven't run across anyone who's been rude, crude or socially unacceptable. Smiley
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« Reply #34 on: July 10, 2007 07:19:56 PM »

Everytime I see the doll that Keena posted the link to, I read it as "Bernice the Primitive Self-Shitter". Now THAT would be offensive  Tongue
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« Reply #35 on: July 10, 2007 07:21:33 PM »

Everytime I see the doll that Keena posted the link to, I read it as "Bernice the Primitive Self-Shitter". Now THAT would be offensive  Tongue
*laugh* yes, yes it would be :p
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« Reply #36 on: July 10, 2007 07:58:38 PM »

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I'm happy to make light of basically anything - not offensively, and with no intention of offending, but I think everything is fair game for making fun of as long as it's not meant to offend, it's all based on intention - countries, religions, events, serious issues, myself...) and I think it could easily offend someone and look like I'm being really tactless, and I would hate that.

Whether you mean it to offend or not, it may.

And what you're describing sounds a little tactless to me  Undecided


I'm not saying DON'T post your craft, I'm just saying be prepared for the backlash if you do and it IS considered offensive to some.


"everything is fair game for making fun of" may come across as a flimsy defense...
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« Reply #37 on: July 10, 2007 08:09:31 PM »

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I'm happy to make light of basically anything - not offensively, and with no intention of offending, but I think everything is fair game for making fun of as long as it's not meant to offend, it's all based on intention - countries, religions, events, serious issues, myself...) and I think it could easily offend someone and look like I'm being really tactless, and I would hate that.

Whether you mean it to offend or not, it may.

And what you're describing sounds a little tactless to me  Undecided


Part of what I mean there is that I am happy to to make light of things, but obviously it depends on the people I'm with too. I'll make silly jokes with my friends and people who have the same sense of humour as me, or people who appreciate the same sense of humour as I do, but obviously I'm not going to go around to strangers making jokes about controversial things unless I know or have an idea that it wouldn't offend them. So I guess context is a big part of it too, and that's part of the problem with things like this and the internets, or in this case Craftster, because it's a wide range of people and everyone will have their own limits and ideas.
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« Reply #38 on: July 10, 2007 08:13:54 PM »

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I'm happy to make light of basically anything - not offensively, and with no intention of offending, but I think everything is fair game for making fun of as long as it's not meant to offend, it's all based on intention - countries, religions, events, serious issues, myself...) and I think it could easily offend someone and look like I'm being really tactless, and I would hate that.

Whether you mean it to offend or not, it may.

And what you're describing sounds a little tactless to me  Undecided


I'm not saying DON'T post your craft, I'm just saying be prepared for the backlash if you do and it IS considered offensive to some.


"everything is fair game for making fun of" may come across as a flimsy defense...
It's not a defense, it's the way I see things. Obviously there are appropriate times, places and people, and obviously people can go too far, but I don't like the idea that some things are "out of bounds" and far too serious (religion, politics, etc). Humour makes life a lot nicer.

But then again, that's just me!  Smiley
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« Reply #39 on: July 11, 2007 12:27:04 AM »

in crafting and in life, i believe strongly that you should treat people (whether they are watching or not) the way you would want to be treated. and maybe imagine yourself as a little less thick-skinned than you may actually be...
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