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creepyhugger
« on: July 06, 2007 03:48:19 PM »

ok.  so i am not new to knitting, but it was my first pair of socks...  they were toe up socks.  i took all the measurements, the foot was fitting fabulously, then i did a short row heel and moved on to the leg, which of course has front and back pattern.  i bound off loosely and went to try them on and argh!!!  they don't fit!  they can't even be pulled on past the heel! 

i'm so discouraged.  what did i do wrong?  must i swear off socks?  i don't want to start another pair and end up with the same problem.  did i just not make the foot bed long enough?  i did notice that the shaft of the sock is noticeably less stretchy than the foot part, where half is stockinette.  should i be adding stitches for the shaft? 

please advise, oh knitting gods and goddesses...
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« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2007 04:31:54 PM »

Did you try it on as you went?  Not everyone's feet are complimented by the short-row heel method.  There's at least one thread about heel-fit frustrations http://www.craftster.org/forum/index.php?topic=165372.0.

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« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2007 04:44:11 PM »

they were tried on frequently at the beginning, but once i got past the heel, i guess i just figured it would be smooth sailing...  also, they were for my mom, who has smaller feet than i, but she couldn't get them on either.  i left them with her in hawaii, which means there are no action shots.  she's using them as hats for her stuffed gorillas...

i'm so bummed.  basically, you can get the fabric pulled on to about the ankle on top and almost around the heel, but maybe two cm short.  i don't think it was the bind off.
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« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2007 05:12:00 PM »

Sounds like the part around the ankle (when you finished the heel and continued in the round) was the problem, not stretching enough to get through?  Perhaps next time, consider ribbing or adding stitches there?
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« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2007 06:36:53 PM »

Short row heels use part of the stitches on the needles and because of that they don't have the same amount of stretch as a sock with a gusset.  Did you use 1/2 of the stitches?  You could try ripping back and doing a short row heel with a gusset.  I find that I don't like short row heels so much because of the problem you are finding.  That and I have high arches, and they don't allow the rest of the sock to conform to my foot the way I like it to.

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« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2007 05:57:06 AM »

I find that I don't like short row heels so much because of the problem you are finding.  That and I have high arches, and they don't allow the rest of the sock to conform to my foot the way I like it to.
puppymomma, what type of socks do you like to knit instead?
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« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2007 07:46:57 AM »

The problem is quite possibly because the ankle part, just above the heel, is too narrow. When you try to put them on and they get stuck, what part is getting stuck on your foot and can't go further because it is too small?
You might prefer a deep heel worked over more than 50% of the stitches, if that is what you used originally. The standard sock pattern using the same number of stitches for the ankle as for the foot, and heel worked over half the number, is an average. If you had narrow ankles and wide feet, of course you might want to modify the pattern, same story for deep heels, narrow feet, or bigger ankles/calves.
Think about how big the circumference of the foot is if you measured on an angle from the back base of heel around to the front inside of the ankle, it's probably the widest part of your foot, and it is not going to fit through the same diameter tube as your ankle circumference measured on a horizontal line. So the number of stitches around the ankle part of the sock does need to fit your ankle, as that's where it will go. But it needs to fit your heel through first (like the neckline on a jumper. It is not going around your head, just going to spend the day sitting around your neck which is quite small, but it needls to allow your head to fit through, which is wider. So your neckline needs to be big enough for your HEAD not for your NECK).
Of course in stocking stitch especially in a non-stretchy wool like cotton or pure acrylic or whatever gives you an unstretchy fabric, that big ankle will fit your foot in but be too loose for your ankle once the ankle is in there by itself. That's why stretchy fibres that will pull in are good, and knitting elastic as a last resort, and many sock patterns have ribbing especially on the ankle. Same with necklines on jumpers, and cuffs at the wrists on jumpers, gloves, and mittens... not there as a design detail, but because they pull in for a snug-enough fit while allowing wider parts of the body through as well. This is why so many sock patterns have ribbing or cables at the ankle (remember cables are basically ribbing).
One of the great things about toe-ups is that you can try them on as you go and get a great fit, so don't waste this and refrain from trying them on when you knit them to check for a good fit... make sure to wear them and see if they need modifying as you go, or in this case, undoing, as soon as you can see there is a problem. The foot part of the sock is pretty easy to fit.

For those of you who like socks to fit high arches, you may be interested in checking out socks knit biased with decreases: http://home.comcast.net/~meangirl/archshapedsocks.pdf
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« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2007 10:31:19 AM »

rjbell - I mainly knit socks with heel flaps and gusset decreases/increases (depending on which way I decide to knit them).  Doesn't matter to me if they are toe up or top down.  I find that they fit a bit better.
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creepyhugger
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2007 01:21:01 PM »

so are gussets and flaps more stretchy than short row heels?  i think the problem was with the area just above the heel...  how do you accomodate for this without breaking up the established pattern?  would you hold off on starting the pattern on the back for a few rows?  the pattern i was using did not have cables or much ribbing.

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« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2007 08:42:28 PM »

You might have better luck with flap heels, which can be done toe-up. Or if the pattern will stand it, a few increases or some ribbing - if you find that this is common to shortrow heels for you. Perhaps you are making them too shallow and need to work them over more stitches.

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