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Topic: I am confused by these instructions for turning chains...HELP!  (Read 1695 times)
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« on: March 05, 2007 03:49:15 PM »

I am at the very beginning of a sweater pattern and already I am confused. I know all about turning chains and that kind of stuff...its just that sometimes patterns describe things in a confusing way Huh

its the second and third row I have problems with......

here are the instructions:

ch 47

row 1: work 1 hdc in 3rd ch from hook and in each of next 21 ch, (hdc, ch2, hdc) in center ch, 1 hdc in each of rem 22 ch, turn.

row 2:Ch 2 (does not count as 1 hdc), work 1 hdc in each hdc to center ch-2 space, (1hdc, ch2, 1hdc) in ch2 space, skip the next hdc, 1 hdc in each hdc to end, turn.

row 3:Ch2(on this and every row), work 1 hdc in each hdc to center hdc space, (hdc, ch2, hdc) in ch2 space, skip the next hdc, 1 hdc in each hdc to end, turn

then you need to repeat row three 7 more times and end up with 27 hdc each side of the ch-2 space....the math is just not adding up in my head.......help me

as I understand it aren't row 2 and three the same....the parts in bold are the parts I do not understand please explain this.
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« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2007 08:07:09 PM »

and furthermore.....when they say "center hdc space" do they mean the ch2 space...... Angry
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« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2007 01:03:44 AM »

I'm going to try to work this up and see if I can figure it out.  I usually have to see it to solve a problem.  Maybe someone far better than me can get it faster.  Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2007 08:33:30 AM »

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I appreciate you taking the time to help me.
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« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2007 09:40:59 AM »

I think I got the math. 

Basically, you're adding 1 hdc per row in rows 2-10.  (Adding 2 in the ch-2 space, and then subtracting one by skipping the next hdc).  Because you're alternating directions, you wind up subtracting on alternating sides of the ch2 space, creating a zigzag type pattern. 

But something seems off.  In row 1 you have 23 hdcs on either side of the ch2-space.  To get to 27 stitches on either side, you need 8 increase rows (to add four hdcs on each side).  The instructions give 9 increase rows, including row 2.  So I'm wondering if row 2 should not say "skip the next hdc?"  Maybe sasskycat will have an answer. 
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« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2007 09:49:20 AM »

but why is the turning chain at the beginning of row 2 not counting as a hdc...I thought thats what the turning chain was....representing the first stitch in a pattern


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« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2007 08:21:22 PM »

For dc's and taller, the turning chain counts as the first stitch.  Usually not for sc and hdc. 
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« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2007 01:15:36 AM »

I'm glad you figured that out because with my work schedule I hadn't been able to get around to it yet.   Sometimes working nights really stinks.   
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« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2007 05:25:02 AM »

Yeah - sometimes the turning chains are meant to be counted, but other times, they're just there.  It varies from pattern to pattern, so as long as you're consistant with the pattern you're working on - everything should work out!

Good luck with your sweater - hope to see it finished sometime soon!
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« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2007 01:53:19 PM »

ok...I've figured out the gist of it with the turning chain thing.....but the math is still not adding up...maybe I should send an email to knit1magazine and ask them to explain it to me.



I will try omitting the instructions to skip the hdc in row two

but then you still get 28 sts on either side of the center ch2 space.....AAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGHTHHHHSDFHE%$

maybe you need to skip a st on either side in row 2

I dont know....



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« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2007 03:31:57 PM »

I see the problem.  If you ignore the "skip next hdc" in row 2, you wind up adding 2 stitches.  Thus 28 hdcs on either side as of row 10.  I didn't catch that earlier. 

I say go ahead and try row 2 with skipping a stitch on both sides of the ch-2 space.  I don't know what the sweater is supposed to look like, but at least the math would add up, and it makes sense that they'd accidentally leave that part out.  But before doing this, I'd check the next part of the pattern to make sure that you really do need 27 hdcs on either side.  Sometimes they mess up the stitch counts. 

Wouldn't a chart be handy about now?   Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2007 08:06:11 PM »

thanks for the advice rina!
I did exactly that and I realized that the next part of the pattern would require 28 sts on each side....

so I wont decrease anything on the 2nd row and that will leave me with 28 sts each side by the 10th.


Whew..

thanks for the help!!!!
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« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2007 08:07:57 PM »

p.s.
here is a photo of the top I'm trying to do


its from the 2006 spring issue of knit1
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« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2007 09:50:16 AM »

Whew, glad it finally got worked out!  That is one cute sweater. 
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« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2007 11:41:52 AM »

thanks....I think I might change it so that the sleeves are not quite so fitted and make it a full length....

I'm excited to finally get this show on the road!

thanks for all the help

I just sent an email to knit1
informing them about the inconsistencies

I'll post when I'm finished

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