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casicassie
« on: March 02, 2007 08:12:55 PM »

I am attempting (being the key word) to knit my boyfriend a book cover. I am doing it in Harry Potter, Gryffindor colors (yellow and red). I want to make it like the house scarves in the movie alternating between red and yellow. I started with red, but when I go to join the yellow yarn it looks very strange. Like a line of yellow and red mixed. Then it switches to yellow. The picture for the pattern doesn't show it happening this way.
Is there a way to avoid this strange happening???

Thanks!
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« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2007 09:12:39 PM »

Most likely what you are seeing is the purl bumps.

If you are doing stocking stitch, one side will have the two colours.

If you are doing ribbing, the purl side of each rib will show this two-colour stripe, but both sides will have this appearing at certain intervals. Unfortunately that's what purls do.

When you are doing an item with a right side like a jumper, and it has ribbing, you can do the first row with the new colour all in knit, this eliminates purl bumps on the RS and puts them all on the wrong side. The single knit row doesn't really show between the ribbing rows.

So if you are doing ribbing, you could add a knit stitch on the colour change row, this will fix the purl bumps on one side, and put them all on the same side. You will still have the same problem that occurs in stocking stitch scarves, which is that the purl side has the bi-colour purls.

This sounds like it could work for you, as a book cover is not viewed on the wrong side. Does the colour change occur on both sides?

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« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2007 09:14:51 PM »

Are you knitting it in garter stitch (every row is the knit stitch)?

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« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2007 10:01:36 PM »

Perhaps if I detailed the steps leading up to where I see the problem and the step that the problem occurs in...it would better explain the situation??

Here's what I am doing:

Front Flap:
Cast on 60 stitches (with red)
Knit 5 rows
Switch to stockinette and continue for 2 3/4 inches ending with a purl row.
Front:
*Here's where I notice the problem*
Switch to yellow.
Purl 1 row.
Then continue in stockinette.

In the picture the book cover has white flaps and a blue cover. My problem is that when I look at the picture, where they switched from white to blue, I don't see the two colors mixing like mine do.

Thanks for your help so far!
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« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2007 10:18:54 PM »

I am working on a striped scarf right now and I think I know what you are talking about.  I have found that keeping the color changes all on the same side prevents the colors from mixing
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« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2007 10:37:54 PM »

If you follow those instructions, is there one side that doesn't have the bicolour stripe, and one side that does?

Sarah
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« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2007 08:28:30 AM »

Yes. The side opposite the stockinette does not have the bicolor stripe. The stockinette side is the side that has the bicolor stripe.
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« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2007 09:51:03 AM »

Is there any way you could post a pic, or a scan, of what you are talking about? It seems that everyone thinks they understand your question, but with a pic, it may make it easier for them to see what you are describing.
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« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2007 12:04:54 PM »

I'm gonna take a stab & guess that the side with the Vs doesn't have the line & the side with the -s does.  The V side is the stockinette side & the - side is the reverse stockinette side.  That line where the color change is located is normal in stockinette stitch (& reverse stockinette).  It's there due to how the stitches interlock.
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« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2007 03:32:33 PM »

Here are the best pics I could get (I took the bookcover off the needles last night to start over. So this is a smaller model that I made up really quick to show you all.):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v415/ReinasMommy/HarryPotterBookCover006.jpg
Here is the front side (a.k.a. stockinette)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v415/ReinasMommy/HarryPotterBookCover004.jpg
Here is the back side (a.k.a. opposite side of the stockinette)

Would the bicolor line appear if I just did garter stitch for the entire project? Or what other stitch could I use where I bicolor line would not appear? (I don't know very many stitches...I am pretty new.)
I don't mind learning new stitches or just doing garter stitch. I just want to make the best possible book cover that I can.

Thank you all for being so patient with me! I really appreciate it!
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« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2007 03:39:06 PM »

Thats normal.  There is no stitch that will not let that happen.  Just make sure that the place where it happens is the part that will be against the book. 
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« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2007 03:58:05 PM »

If you ever do a Harry Potter or other striped scarf, you will have two options:

-keep them all on one side so the other side looks good, without the stripes

-or, do a tube scarf with double knitting/in the round etc. so the purl stripes will be on the inside.

For this, an item where the inside will be touching the book, it doesn't matter, but it may help for future projects. This is not your mistake, that's what purls do.

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« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2007 04:24:57 PM »

Thanks a lot! I think I will just continue with it.  Grin
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« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2007 06:13:15 PM »

Wait, before you get too far with it, I'm concerned that you've interpreted the pattern incorrectly. The "right side" of stockinette will not EVER have the color mixing bumps on it.

I believe the pattern is telling you to switch to yellow *and knit a row in yellow*, then purl a row after that.

If the picture in the pattern is flat stockinette (all V's) then you have made a mistake and you should start over from the row where you switched color.
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« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2007 06:59:09 PM »

when you switch to yellow, do not purl.

just follow this rule of thumb for stockinette:

if you see purl bumps, purl.
if you see knit V's, knit.

in your first picture of the stockinette side, u can see that the red are V's. if you knit the yellow, you will get yellow V's.

from what you describe, the instructions are incorrect.

in this picture of my scarf, the outside (like the front of your book cover) are stockinette V's and the inside (the inside of your book cover) are the reverse stockinette purl bumps.


the problem here is not the color change at all. its the instructions that do not make sense if you're aiming for stockinette. whether you change colors or not, the stockinette pattern - k 1 row, p 1 row - does  not change.

hope this helps!

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« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2007 06:59:43 PM »

I'm with Natasha. I think maybe you could be calling one stitch by another's name (calling garter as stockinette), which could be why no one was really sure how to answer you. Maybe this will help, and see if this answers your question....

Example #1:

In this example, on the left is a swatch of stockinette stitch (knit one whole row, purl one whole row), and on the right is a swatch of garter stitch (knit every single row). This example is showing the "right" (the side people will see) side of the work.

Example #2

In this example, stockinette is again on the left and garter on the right. This example is showing the "wrong" (the side people hopefully won't see) side of the work.

You will always get that odd off row on the wrong side where the colors do the wierd stripey thing after you have changed colors. If it helps, you can always stick a safety pin through a couple of the stitches on the wrong side so you'll always know which side is which.

Hopefully this helps a little, good luck and keep trying.

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« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2007 07:04:34 PM »

Conley,

at first i thought she might be doing garter stitch too but when i saw the instructions and when i saw her pic of the right side: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v415/ReinasMommy/HarryPotterBookCover006.jpg

i knew its the pattern thats wrong. the pic is blurry but you can see shes got the red v's which you wont get if ur just knitting every row.

plus, look at her yellow section - she has yellow v's too. def not garter stitch.



i have no idea why the pattern has you purl one row and go back to stockinette. if you don't want that color mix, just follow the rule of thumb i posted above. =)
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« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2007 07:23:28 PM »

I was aiming to answer her original question:
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I started with red, but when I go to join the yellow yarn it looks very strange. Like a line of yellow and red mixed. Then it switches to yellow
And since she said she was still new, I was trying to cover all the general bases. I think it was her second pic that lead me to believe she was doing garter stitch (I didn't see the v's in the first)- I haven't done the pattern she's doing.... why do they have a random purl row in there?
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« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2007 08:12:16 PM »

it would be good if we could see the pattern and the provided image too.
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« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2007 08:28:14 PM »

I think there is a turning row missing. I think you work color #1 ending on a purl row, then purl one more row in color #1, then switch to color #2 begining with a purl row, and work color #2 in stockinette.

Edit - I mean to say that the random purl row is actually the turning row.

I did some swatches to show you what I am talking about:

Top as you described it earlier, purl with the new color one row then begin stockinette with the new color.
Bottom as I described above, purl with the old color then begin stockinette with the new color, starting with a purl row.


After turning to make the flap


Showing the turning row
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casicassie
« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2007 09:16:00 PM »

Thank you all so much!
I am working the pattern from the book Knitgrrl 2 by Shannon Okey.
My connection is very slow so I doubt if it would let me upload the original pic to  Photobucket to show you all.
It could be that I misread the pattern.

Here is what the pattern says:

Start the front flap:
Cast on 38 stitches with color 2(I had to cast on more due to the dimensions of the book)
Knit 5 rows.
Next row: Switch to stockinette stitch (knit 1 row , purl 1 row). Continue for 2 3/4 inches, ending in a purl row.

Now start the front:
Change to color 1 by joining new ball of yarn.
Purl 1 row. This will help the book cover fold around the edge of the book.
Work in stockinette stitch for 4 inches (or width of the book's front cover). End with a purl row.
Purl 1 more row.

Make the spine:
Work in stockinette stitch for the width of the book's spine  (usually about 1 inch), ending with a purl row.

Start the back cover:
Purl 1 row. This is the start of the back cover.
Work in stockinette stitch for 4 inches (or the width of the book's back cover). End with a purl row.
Purl 1 more row.

Make the back flap:
Work in stockinette stitch for 2 3/4 inches.
Switch back to color 2. Knit 5 rows.
Bind off.



P.S. I decided that I would make him a HP scarf instead. I am using my knifty knitter loom. It's going quite well and I am very happy with the color changes. If I have yarn leftover (and more than likely I will as I hit a sale and bought a huge lot of red and yellow yarn) I will make the book cover.
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« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2007 11:07:35 PM »

hmm..looks like you're following the instruction alright. like rhiandmoi was saying, the purl row is like a turning row - it helps the fabric fold around the edge of the book. the turning row is a break in the stockinette..as you can see in rhiandmoi's pictures, there is a line of purl bumps in the middle of the stockinette.

but since you are joining the yellow before the turning row is done, it would still make the color mix. perhaps, since part of the fabric will be on the inside of the book, you won't see the color mix - which may be why you don't see it in the provided picture. thats my guess.

if you dont want the color mix, knit with the yellow yarn after the "Purl 1 row. This will help the book cover fold around the edge of the book." i doubt the change will make much difference.


well good luck on the scarf! it should be an excellent gift! maybe you can post your progress in the harry potter scarf knit along!: http://www.craftster.org/forum/index.php?topic=49479.0
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« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2007 05:04:17 AM »

I really do appreciate all of your help and especially the pictures. It really helps a newbie like me to see exactly what I am suppose to be doing.
Once again this board has helped save my project. Thank you!  Grin
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« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2007 01:00:52 PM »

Basically all you need to do is to end your first colour with a right side row, then switch colours, work a purl wrong side row, a purl right side row and then continue in stocking st. Without working a row before your turning purl row on the right side you get the mixing.
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