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« on: February 09, 2007 08:45:13 AM »

Anyone checked out this book?  I just found it on the B&N website and am dying to go buy it!

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbninquiry.asp?EAN=9780307346117&x=2111902

The cover sweater is fabulous - has anyone flipped through the book yet?  It's so frustrating to buy a whole book and only like a couple of patterns.

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« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2007 08:51:46 AM »

if you wait a few months, it will probably be available at your local library. i don't buy books anymore, i just get them from my library. they have a inter-library loan system.
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« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2007 08:54:48 AM »

I guess turnabout is fair play.  I'm "making" you buy a book, and now you are "making" me!  It looks like it will be out next week.  I'm definitely going to go look through it!
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« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2007 10:53:25 AM »

I read something about this book a few weeks ago and loved it so much I wrote the release date on my calendar...lol!  Definitely going to check it out!  Gotta love chunky yarn that knits up quick.
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« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2007 03:05:35 PM »

damn! i am not usually the gal for chunky knits, but that is a VERY nice cover jumper...
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« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2007 04:02:48 PM »

Here's a similiar thread I started a few days ago.  Wink Someone posted links to photos of the patterns from the book:

http://www.craftster.org/forum/index.php?topic=149988.0
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« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2007 05:24:09 PM »

Just so you know, you can get it a bit cheaper here
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« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2007 07:38:00 PM »

Here's a similiar thread I started a few days ago.  Wink Someone posted links to photos of the patterns from the book:

http://www.craftster.org/forum/index.php?topic=149988.0

Wow - I love love love at least half of these.  And they should knit up pretty quick. . . .Can't wait!  I'm going to be the envy of knitting club.  Thanks for the link!
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« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2007 08:34:28 AM »

Mine should be delivered today! I'm so excited, I ordered it from Overstock.com Tuesday.
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« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2007 09:14:19 PM »

My boyfriend just ordered me a copy for V-day.  Unfortunately he missed the part of the hint that it already came out.  Oh well, here in a week I should be knitting up my first fabulous sweater.

If anyone knits anything, please post pics!
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« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2007 11:17:57 AM »

ooooooh!! i thought this book was coming out later in the spring - v exciting it is already in book shops (alas no book shops here - yeah for chapters/amazon!)
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« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2007 01:07:09 PM »

i just saw this one in the bookstore the other day...be sure to take a close look and see if your size is in the patterns!  my friend saw an early draft of the book and warned me that what she saw was all model sizes...the finished product doesn't seem to have added much variation in sizing at all...

that being said there were definitely some great chunky knit designs in there, which i've been looking for since i generally don't knit with bulky yarns, but would like to do some of that...

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« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2007 09:23:26 PM »

okay...so i went back to b&n today to take another look so i could be more accurate...i would not buy this book if you're not comfortable resizing patterns!!  the largest bust size that i saw was 35" and that was for a bulky sweater!  the sizes are fashion sizes aka for the small and twiggy supermodels that are in the pictures...so if you're not small and twiggy, it's going to be more work than just following the pattern...

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« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2007 09:33:18 AM »

so i am 35" - do most/all the patterns go that big or just one or two??
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« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2007 09:43:28 AM »

the sizes differed depending on the piece...there were 2 big sweaters with loose fits that went to size 34" or 35" bust, but there were also some that had 28" as the largest size!  definitely take a look at the pattern specs before you buy!  i was really surprised how small some of the "large" sizes were.  Sad
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« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2007 09:49:01 AM »

the sizes differed depending on the piece...there were 2 big sweaters with loose fits that went to size 34" or 35" bust, but there were also some that had 28" as the largest size!  definitely take a look at the pattern specs before you buy!  i was really surprised how small some of the "large" sizes were.  Sad
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« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2007 11:57:02 AM »

I just got mine in the mail today!  I have a theory about the small sizes.  It says "knitted measurements", not body measurements, and most of these look like they would stretch like crazy, at least horizontally.  I would pick your size according to the length, not the bust, knit it up and see what happens.
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« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2007 01:58:13 PM »

oh cool! there is hope
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« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2007 05:16:48 PM »

I just bought this today.  Great book.  I didn't even think about checking for sizing.  I am not twiggy/supermodel size, at all.  Hopefully, the patterns can be adjusted or the garments will stretch.  If not, my daughters will fit into them.  They are all size 2 and 3.
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« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2007 05:55:00 PM »

A couple of things I just noticed while glancing through the book:

The gauges listed are a bit different than usual.  Insteal of the standard ______stitches = 4 inches, sometimes they use 5" or 6", sometimes nothing at all, but just a pattern repeat over_________inches .

Also....I did a search online for Twinkle yarn and it is not readily available.  I would like to see it in person, but it might be a bit difficult to find for awhile. 

I really like a lot of the patterns, though.  I think I will be knitting quite a few of them for my daughters.

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« Reply #20 on: February 17, 2007 07:00:51 PM »

I paid full price for this book and now I am really wishing I hadn't!

I have already made one of her sweaters: the seed stitch hoodie from the cover of the holiday 2005/2006 Vogue Knitting and it reappears in the book. That is not the only one of the book's patterns that has been previously published in Vogue Knitting. There are at least 3 others.

The sizes are crazy. I consider myself average and the cardigan I would make comes in sizes 28, 31, 33. I don't know any woman who wears a bust size 28. Which is too bad, since it's very cute.

All her patterns are in her yarns and about 75% of them use her bulky weight yarn which is comparable to Cascade Magnum or Blue Sky Alpacas Bulky. I have already made the seed stitch hoodie of hers in the big gauge. I substituted the Blue Sky for the Brown Sheep Burly Spun. I know a lot of you guys think bulky sweaters are unflattering. The hood of the sweater falls wrong, a fact that is well hidden by the book's pictures. I <3 it and think it's cute but it's too bulky to wear my winter coat over which is a bit excessive!

The only thing that is undeniably nice is how pretty and well-styled the book is. Wenlan Chia was recently featured in Vogue and the foreward is written by the editor of Daily Candy. As a 16 year old NYC girl, I like that this book contributes to a more fashionable face for knitting.
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« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2007 11:16:51 AM »

I too purchased this book, but I didn't pay full price as I pre-ordered it through Amazon.  I think Twinkle's work is beautiful, but being a busty gal and all, I don't think I'd be making many of these for myself.  I think Z hit the nail on the head about being comfortable resizing patterns to make some of these work for you.  I don't feel like it is a complete bust (pardon the pun!) because I have a little sister who has already made requests, so at least someone will benefit.  I have noticed that when her patterns are published in VK and IK there are extended sizes and the suggested yarn subs are the same ones she suggests in the back of the book.
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« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2007 02:49:39 PM »

so since my previous messages were meant to just be an fyi/warning, i wanted to add that while i was (really) disappointed with the sizes, i may still buy the book and try to make adjustments since i usually don't work with bulky yarns and have been looking for some cute patterns and the book does have that...i'm usually a to the letter pattern follower (well until it's really not working for me), but i'm going to try to use this as an opportunity to loosen up a little!

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« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2007 10:00:21 AM »

I just took this book off of my Amazon wishlist because of the sizing issues. I'll give it a look in the bookstore to see if there are any patterns I think I could use, but I really don't want to shell out money for a book in which it sounds like there are only two patterns that would even fit me - and I am hardly a plus size. It's disheartening - I was looking forward to this book, I've aways admired Twinkle's use of handknits along with runway fashion.
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« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2007 11:31:41 AM »


I was salivating over this book last night in Chapters, until I too discovered that some of the sizing is very, very small.

But here's what I think.

I'm a picky dresser, so I have a bit of a hard time finding knitting patterns that I am immediately attracted to without altering the design somewhat (I usually add waist shaping, shorten/lengthen sleeves, change necklines, etc).

That being said, I totally LOVED most of the sweaters in this book. I think it's worth the size mods if you're really into some of the designs. So, I am going to buy it and face the task of adjusting the patterns to my bust size. (I'm about a 38").

The point is, if you really like the sweaters, don't let a little pattern modification get you down. I rarely knit patterns the way they are written. It's totally worth it if you've found a sweater you love.



PS - There are great tutorials available on changing patterns...the one I use most often is in Stitch and Bitch Nation.
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« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2007 11:49:08 AM »

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That being said, I totally LOVED most of the sweaters in this book. I think it's worth the size mods if you're really into some of the designs. So, I am going to buy it and face the task of adjusting the patterns to my bust size. (I'm about a 38").

The point is, if you really like the sweaters, don't let a little pattern modification get you down. I rarely knit patterns the way they are written. It's totally worth it if you've found a sweater you love.

I totally get your point, but I guess what I find disheartening about this is the fact that these patterns appear to be sized *so* small, it just feels like one more example of the fashion industry telling women that if you're not a size 2, you're not worth designing attractive clothing for. A 31 inch chest, which appears to be about the average for this book, is far from the actual average size of a typical American woman. I guess as a knitter who is a (shockingly! huge!) size 8-10, I feel like I shouldn't HAVE to spend the time altering a pattern to make it fit.

Or maybe I'm just feeling fat today.
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« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2007 12:08:05 PM »

dramageek I TOTALLY agree with you.  I am sorry but if I am paying for a book I want there to be a larger selection of sizes to select from.  I am not a large woman, but as a 32D that means I am still a 38 inches around the bust - I have to resize everything because my waist is smaller sized.  I except that what I don't except is giving a pattern where the LARGEST LARGEST (did I say the largest?) size is TWENTY-SIX INCHES around the bust!!!  I am SO disappointed by this book.  I may go buy it after I stop feeling fat.   Until then I will make up my own pattern for the twiggy tunic.  I mean if I have to resize that much I might as well just make it up myself! 

So thrilled the other book I was anticipating (Fitted Knits by Japel) lived up to expectations I have some great patterns to knit and inspire me!
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« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2007 01:57:29 PM »

Just to play devil's advocate, since Wenlan Chia is from Taiwan and most east Asian countries have clothing that come in smaller sizes, maybe that's why the sizes are so small. It's not uncommon for a small in Asia to be bust 28" and for a large bust to be 35"; I'm 32" and am considered a size medium or sometimes even  large when I shop in Asia.

I'm not trying to justify the sizes in the book as a good or bad thing. Just a possible reason, maybe. Although, one would think a pattern book released in North America would come with more sizes to fit North American women.
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« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2007 06:02:16 PM »

i guess i was really surprised that they weren't resized by vogue knitting...the patterns that i've seen in magazines have definitely been adjusted for regular sized knitters, so i was a little shocked to see such an unfinished product if you will on the shelves when the designs are so amazing that everyone will want to buy it...
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« Reply #29 on: February 19, 2007 07:04:20 PM »



I definitely agree with what y'all are saying, I do. It is silly that the sizes are so small. All I was saying is that it's far from insurmountable.

And don't let this book make you feel fat! You're beautiful!
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« Reply #30 on: February 20, 2007 08:19:23 AM »

Did we ever resolve the "knitted size" question?  The measurements in the book ared labeled as knitted size.  Usually stuff stretches considerable, so perhaps a knitted 32 actually is a 36?

Pinkyswear, you could probably answer this one best since you have completed a project.

Anyone know of an inexpensive yarn substitution?  I'm a super beginner so these patterns are already a bit scary without knowing I paid a small fortune for the yarn!
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« Reply #31 on: February 20, 2007 08:54:48 AM »

I work at Classic Elite and have had the pleasure of trying on many of the garments in this book. I consider myself a regular medium, with a bust measurement of 37".

While the finished measurement of the garment is small, the garments are designed in a way that makes them form fitting, and they stretch out to hug normal sizes. So, while they measure one size laying flat, when they are worn, they fit because of the amount of give the design has.

I know it's not easy to just trust this, but I just wanted to throw out my experience with the garments. As many of these designs are knit on huge needles, if for any reason it doesn't give enough to fit, at least there wouldn't be a TON of time wasted.

I checked with some women at work, and we've been told that the sizing for the garments is based on how Wenlan usually sizes her fashions. So an Extra Small was designed to fit a size 0-2, Small to fit 4-6, Medium to fit 6-8 and Large to fit 10-12. Of course, there could be some lee-way there.

Also, I was just informed that a garment that measures 24" was put on one of our Small employees with a bust measurment of 33" and it fit beautifully.
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« Reply #32 on: February 20, 2007 10:06:07 AM »

i'm not sure how the sizing works for this book since from what i remember all the patterns have 3 sizes (is that what kjtendyke has described as xs, s, and m or is it s, m, l, etc?)...i agree that they're probably stretchy, but i'm still worried about the sizing especially with the sweaters that are meant to be not form fitting...

i've been flip flopping a lot on whether to get this book or not...sounds like it's a problem to find the yarn (which probably means that it's really expensive) and that the sizing is possibly really limited...but the designs are so amazing...sigh...  Sad

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« Reply #33 on: February 20, 2007 10:24:47 AM »

well ... the book is staying on my list - i adore twinkle's designs ... the lack of sizing info is a bit dissapointing - ie it really should say 24" knitted garment - fits bust size xx
however thank goodness we have craftster - and this info is getting out to us anyway!! 
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« Reply #34 on: February 20, 2007 12:43:45 PM »

The yarn should be available at the end of the month. To get a general idea of pricing, and to preorder, here are some links:

Cruise: http://www.shopatron.com/index/458.1.20402.0.0.0.0

Kids Mohair: http://www.shopatron.com/index/458.1.20403.0.0.0.0

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« Reply #35 on: February 20, 2007 07:26:22 PM »

I got my book today! I am a huge twinkle fan, so I had preordered this book when I found it on Amazon back in December. I love the garments and they are styled and photographed beautifully. I am totally going to try one of the patterns right away. I have never really done a chunky knit sweater before because I always have considered them to be unflattering. I just can't resist with this book, though. Price is another issue Several of the patterns ask you to quadruple strand Twinkle's Cruise yarn, which ends up to be 15 or so skeins at about 11 bucks a pop. Ouch! I think that cruise could be subbed pretty easily. Twinkle's soft chunky yarn seems more difficult to sub, though, because there aren't many yarns out there that are so super bulky- and none of them are cheap for sure. I hope my lys will stock the yarn so I can visit it and decide if it is worth the dough!
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« Reply #36 on: February 20, 2007 11:38:17 PM »

I am such a Knitting Knerd that I went out to the bookstore last week when the book was released. I had been really looking forward to it, but then when I looked at it, I realized I didn't really like the designs very much--except for the Twiggy sweater, which I loved. So I'm going to wait till my library gets it and just knit it up during the time I have the book--it looks pretty quick. As for the sizing, it does explicitly say in there somewhere that it's meant to stretch a lot to fit you. You can see this best in one of the cabled sweaters, where the cables are long and close together when the sweater is flat, and then you can see how they fill out on the model.
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« Reply #37 on: February 21, 2007 08:39:13 AM »

I just read the reccommended yarn substitution section and I am thoroughly confused. Maybe someone who has knitted a twinkle pattern will understand. Help!

Here is the text:
"Instead of knitting with four strands of Twinkle's Handknit Cruise, you can use a single strand, such as Jaeger's Pure Cotton; Crystal Palace Yarn's Breeze; Classic Elite Yarn's Bamboo, Four Seasons, and Provence; and Brown Sheep Company's Cotton Fleece and Cotton Fine."

So you would be knitting these dk or worsted yarns as a single strand on size 15 needles? Why doesn't she reccommend double stranding these? These yarns don't seem equivalent, and I certainly would have picked something more in the bulky range for a single strand. Thoughts?

Here is my thought- in these patterns, perhaps using needles much larger than usually reccomended for the yarn, i.e. size 15s on worsted yarn, is what gives the garment elasticity. Imagine a 22" sweater made with a cotton/silk blend (the twiggy tunic in Cruise). A loose gauge might give the sweater the wiggle room necessary to stretch a bit.

Does this mean I can use my stash of brown sheep cotton fleece, originally intended for a short sleeve sweater, for a long sleeve tunic? I hope so!
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« Reply #38 on: February 21, 2007 08:42:58 AM »



Maybe she means that you could knit it in a finer guage with those yarns...instead of it being super bulky with 4 strands, it would knit up like a worsted weight sweater. I have no idea what the guage would be though. Strange...
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« Reply #39 on: February 21, 2007 09:24:45 AM »

hmmm that is strange - those ones would have to be double or triple stranded you'd think ..
wonder if it is a typo
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« Reply #40 on: February 21, 2007 10:43:52 AM »

When I start one of these sweaters, I think I'm going to try using 2 strands of simply soft and go from there. If it's a disaster, at least my $$$ and time invested will not be wasted.
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« Reply #41 on: February 21, 2007 11:09:51 AM »

All the patterns are adoreable but DAMN that yarn is expensive!

In terms of using bulky-weight yarns, what weight of yarn stranded together would equal one strand of bulky--two sport weights? Two worsted?
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« Reply #42 on: February 22, 2007 09:59:42 AM »

OK, I had a chance to check the book out at Borders yesterday, and I have two main thoughts. I agree that the freakishly small measurements have to do with the fact that the garment will stretch on the body, but I think it's a problem that this isn't addressed in the book. There isn't a word of advice on fit and how to choose a size as far as I could find (and I may have missed it!) There is an emphasis on proper gauge, which is crucial, but nothing about how to relate the finished garment to your body measurements.

Also? Even accounting for the stretch factor, I don't see how any of these patterns would fit anyone larger than a 36-38 inch chest, and that might be pushing it. The garments are shown on models who are utterly flat chested, and while they are all adorable and the stuff looks great on them, it's just so unrealistic.

Maybe I'm just feeling cranky and fat this week, but this book has really pushed my buttons! I am interested to see how people adapt the patterns - and I know craftsters will do an awesome job. I just don't feel like I should *have* to, you know?

Because I don't want to sound like I'm just slamming this book left and right, I do want to point out that there was a fairly extensive list of yarn substitutions which I think is unusual and welcome in a book like this. There's also a lot of encouraging advice about making a garment your own. And it's all photographed beautifully with photos that clearly show what the finished product will look like.
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« Reply #43 on: February 22, 2007 07:59:56 PM »

I'm obsessed.

I started a knitalong here:

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« Reply #44 on: February 23, 2007 07:27:25 AM »

I'm obsessed.

I started a knitalong here:

http://www.craftster.org/forum/index.php?topic=154447.0

I'll join you as soon as I can.  First, I have to knit a cable clutch for my friend's b-day (anyone have a fabulous and easy pattern?) and then a pair of Ugg look-alike baby booties.  But after that, It's all about me and Twinkle!  This will give me time to find a good deal on some yarn!  Any idea which pattern you are making first?  I was thinking of the cable cape, it looks like one of the more simple patterns.
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« Reply #45 on: July 26, 2007 09:18:20 PM »

hey all. i know it's been a while since anyone posted in this thread, but i was wondering if any of my fellow big-busties have had a chance to knit up some stuff from this book yet? the KAL thread has lots of FO's posted, but most of the gals over there look pretty skinny minnie so it's not really a good indicator of how these projects translate to fuller frames. Sad especially in the bust area....has anyone with a c cup or bigger tackled one of these chunky knits yet?
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« Reply #46 on: July 27, 2007 07:45:25 AM »

hey all. i know it's been a while since anyone posted in this thread, but i was wondering if any of my fellow big-busties have had a chance to knit up some stuff from this book yet? the KAL thread has lots of FO's posted, but most of the gals over there look pretty skinny minnie so it's not really a good indicator of how these projects translate to fuller frames. Sad especially in the bust area....has anyone with a c cup or bigger tackled one of these chunky knits yet?

I'm a larger busted girl myself but have bought the yarn for two projects in this book and hope to do more.

If you look on the Twinkle website on the page about 'Big City Knits' http://www.twinklebywenlan.com/twinkle.html and click on 'View Submissions' you can see pictures that knitters have sent in of themselves wearing the designs. I think there is a range of different sized women in the pictures and I'm inspired by that. I don't think this book is just for a select few...
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zknits
« Reply #47 on: July 27, 2007 05:39:28 PM »

thanks for posting that link tygra!  that is really inspiring for us normal sized women!
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