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« on: December 07, 2006 10:08:26 PM »

Hello everyone I'm super excited about this board I luurve it!

Anyway a friend and I are planning a ATC swap at my university and in order to create more interest we brainstormed that if we could auction off ATCs for a charity it would bring a more diverse group of people than those who just want to swap ATCs.  I know that you aren't supposed to sell your own ATCs but if the makers knew that it was going to be auctioned off for a charity would it be alright?  What are your opinions?

And while I got you here the plan: everyone who wants to trade ATCs brings as many as they want to trade, plus one to auction off.  We wanted to get an actual university gallery to post the donated ATCs and then have a silent auction with bids and everything.  Do you think this is a good idea?  I'm not sure which charity, but probably one dealing with art...haha.

Thanks for reading and your opinions in advance!
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« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2006 02:01:31 AM »

Technically, if you're getting money from them, they're called ACEOs - Art Cards, Editions and Originals - and it can be a very touchy subject with certain ATC artists (I'm not a fan, generally).

I do think it's cool you'd be doing it for charity...mostly I'm just bothered by the idea of people making money from something that's supposed to be about trading and getting to know other artists, but there are situations where it feels 'appropriate', and it really just comes down to personal discretion.


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« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2006 06:01:50 AM »

i agree with A_A....but i'm an ATC traditionalist who doesnt even like the idea ACEO's...what about having a trading sessions...and auctioning off some type of display journals that were hand made or decorated...like the kind with pages in them for holding cards. then your still tying in the ATC's but not doing anything that people wouldnt find kosher
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« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2006 06:07:10 AM »

OR, how about you auction off the rights to choose a "free" card? That way you're not selling the art, just the chance to be first chooser of the cards that are given away. Highest bidder gets first choice, second highest bidder chooses second, etc.
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« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2006 07:44:31 AM »

OR, how about you auction off the rights to choose a "free" card? That way you're not selling the art, just the chance to be first chooser of the cards that are given away. Highest bidder gets first choice, second highest bidder chooses second, etc.

OO thats a good way around it!  Thanks for your opinions guys, I wanted to know what some veteran ATCers thought.
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« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2006 02:38:56 PM »

Last night, as I was making the umpteenth card of the night (for the Ongoing ATC 3.0 swap) my hubby said 'you really should sell those'... I've been checking Ebay and they tend to go for $3-$10 each, depending on quality, etc.
I know there are some Craftsters selling there as well...
I'd love to hear the opinions of some more of you ATC artists
(Hopefully I'm not hijacking your thread, since this is the same topic)...

Does selling ACEO's take the fun/mystery/beauty out of ATCs?
Talk amongst yourselves...
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« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2006 03:25:18 PM »

For me personally, I'm against selling and won't buy any. I would much rather approach the artist and say "Hey, your work is cool. Wanna trade?" I want to keep it within the spirt in which it was created.

Its amazing that I have artwork from all over the world now and to an extent, a personal relationship with those artists. I learn from every card I get and hope that I'm teaching other artists in return. I also love the thought that my cards are now in Europe, Canada, the US and Australia. No other way would I have been to get my work out there.

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« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2006 04:05:49 PM »

I personally object to selling ATC's. I was in a swap on a Yahoo site last year and it turned out one of the people in the swap was turning around and selling the ATC's she got-Appalling! There is not enough of a distinction between the ATC's and ACEO's to really be able to control  this issue so I think it just shouldn't be allowed. That is my 2 cents at least!
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« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2006 07:30:41 PM »

i dont think i would personally ever really buy a card...it just wouldnt feel right...
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« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2006 09:41:41 PM »

My personal logic (about making ACEOs to sell) is:

-people who arent creative like the cards...but can't make them to swap them, so they could buy some

-Extra income each month would let me swap more and craft more

-A legit crafty job would keep me from having to get a 9-5 desk job and farm my kids out to corporate daycare...

But I suppose I could justify anything, right?
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« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2006 06:19:02 AM »

Original Youth, why not sell just ordinary art? You could even make ATC-sized paintings/collages whatever and sell it, and call it pooky or something. But I just think that either selling or buying ATCs (whatever you may call them) sort of defeats the whole purpose of the project. I mean, it is sort of a project-- a really huge, continuous joint project. Smiley

And I don't understand why people who don't like MAKING ATCs would BUY ATCs. I think the two HAVE TO go together. Think of it this way: if you buy an ATC, yet you don't like making (and thus, trading) ATCs, you're missing out on a really crucial part of the ATC experience. Then when you buy an ATC, you're not really buying an ATC, you're just buying a piece of artwork for yourself.

Does anyone get what I'm trying to say? Huh
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« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2006 06:24:21 AM »

You could even make ATC-sized paintings/collages whatever and sell it,
That's what ACEO's are....ATC sized art that people sell instead of trade.

And I don't understand why people who don't like MAKING ATCs would BUY ATCs.

Because most of the world can't create art, but most of them appreciate art.  It's Letting NON-artists have some of the beautiful things themselves!
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« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2006 08:20:56 AM »

Wow, big ball of wax!

I am trying to think of something that could be done involving ATCs that would support a charitable cause and give people the experience of making and trading cards, in the spirit of why ATCs were thought up.

Perhaps as part of a fund-raiser, one could make a table with basic low-skill-required art & craft materials available - stamp pads, a couple stamps, markers, coloured paper, gift wrap, pictures with themes related to the charity, glue, scissors - and a sheet with info about the idea of ATCs, and say:

"here's a table for making artist trading cards & if you want to pay as you can for some materials, you can make a card now, and trade it with someone else at the table (or for a card pre-made by the organizers that looks simple & quick to make), that would be a fun thing to do."

That way the money would not be for getting a card, but for the availability of materials that let you have the fun of making a card right then & there rather than having to wait till you get home.

 
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« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2006 08:56:23 AM »

If you wanted to have an ATC event that is also a fundraiser, this is what I would do.

Have each ATC artist that wants to be involved donate one card.  Put the cards together in groups of 9 cards.  Sell tickets for $1 each, and RAFFLE them off, and pick winners that would recieve a set of cards.

Sell these things:
-Pre-printed labels for the backs of the cards
-Cut scrapbook papers and/or cardstock (get the BIG packs on sale or use a coupon) into ATC size, to use as backgrounds.
-Print t-shirts with an ATC logo
-Cut matboard to have a 2.5x3.5" window, sell those
-Get some bulk packs of clear plastic sleeves, 9-pocket sleeves, 3ring binders and sell those individually
-Sell decks of playing cards (buy in bulk and sell for 1$)
-Make "ATC starter kits" with 10 bases, and added fun embellishments like photo corners, brads, ribbon, vellum, etc.  (AlteredMommy has GREAT ideas for these kits) and a little sheet with info/RULES/places to swap ATCs
-Have embellishment mystery grab bags for $1.  include papers, ribbons, yarn scraps, stickers, glue sticks, brads, google eyes, etc.!  Just put several items in a lunch sack so people don't know what surprises lurk inside!
-Sell coffee, sodas, lemonade and cookies, etc for cheap.

Technically you shouldn't charge for ATC events/swaps, but this would allow you to make some cash, while allowing the spirit of ATC swapping to not be squashed.
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« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2006 10:33:46 AM »

Thanks for the handy ideas guys!  I really like what you suggested OY.  I think I'll try that! 

As for auctioning the individual ATCs I think thats out.  I was on the fence: not in the spirit of ATC vs. Its for a charity.  But I do have great suggestions for alternate things to sell!  So I'll go with the alternate!! 

Thanks you guys~

Oh and feel free to debate the issue further...if you feel so compelled.
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« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2006 10:35:12 AM »

Oh and feel free to debate the issue further...if you feel so compelled.
Thanks for bringing up a GREAT (albeit controversial) topic.  I love hearing people's opinions on this one!
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« Reply #16 on: December 09, 2006 02:12:47 PM »

Hey OY- I think your art ROCKS!, but I have said it before. As to the sale of ATC's - I don't like it- but that's just me- it's one of the great fundamental rights about this countr that we all get to agree or disagree with each other, and still love each other! Pretty neat don't ya think?
I recently met an ATCer in Ohio while out there for a wedding, she wanted to sell her work so what she did was alter the size a bit so they weren't standard ATC size. She made hers 3x5 and they sold like hotcakes at the fair she was selling at, that way she felt she wasn't pushing the boundaries of the swap rule of ATC's, yet it was still pocket sized art. I even bought a piece- it's a watercolor- very conceptual!
Just an idea, because I know a lot of artists would like to sell their art- it's how we stay alive and creative!
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« Reply #17 on: December 09, 2006 05:08:43 PM »

I make art and sell it, and I make ATC's and only trade them.

Personally, ATC's are only for Trade, I would never ever sell them, that's not the original purpose of the cards.

I've made a few ATCs that I would love to make into art prints, especially my digital ones, but I haven't done that.  I believe, especially being a digital artist as well as an ATC maker, that if I were to make digital art it would be based upon the idea of an ATC.  I could also enlarge or change the image as pjmclnj suggested to make them smaller works of art.  I have sold smaller art prints, around 4x6 but I wouldn't make ATCs for sale.

*re-read but that still sounds confusing even to me*
Basically:
I will sell ART
I will NOT sell ATCS
I will only TRADE ATC's
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« Reply #18 on: December 09, 2006 10:32:35 PM »

OY:
"That's what ACEO's are....ATC sized art that people sell instead of trade."

And then, would the people who bought the ACEOs just keep them? Or would they trade their ACEOs with other ACEO owners?
I thought ACEOs were basically ATCs Pokemon-cardified.
Because if ACEOs share nothing in common with ATCs except for size, I definitely agree that there is nothing wrong with selling them--that's what I meant by "ordinary art".

What I didn't understand was why people would buy ATCs (or ACEOs) and trade them with other people who bought ACEOs (hence my calling it "Pokemon cardified") 

If I was in fact wrong, and ACEOs are NOT meant to be traded, I then don't understand why people link it to ATCs and why people object to it. Just an art lover buying a card-sized piece of art from an artist--it has nothing to do with the concept of ATCs.

Hopefully I wasn't too unclear. Sorry to ask so many questions!  Lips sealed I'm new to the ATC thing itself, and I'd never even heard of ACEOs before this topic.
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« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2006 12:31:35 PM »

I think ATC should only be traded bc I'm poor and it's the only was I can acquire awesome artowork to decorate my lame white apartment walls with Wink
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« Reply #20 on: December 18, 2006 01:36:10 PM »

OY:
"That's what ACEO's are....ATC sized art that people sell instead of trade."

And then, would the people who bought the ACEOs just keep them? Or would they trade their ACEOs with other ACEO owners?
I thought ACEOs were basically ATCs Pokemon-cardified.
Because if ACEOs share nothing in common with ATCs except for size, I definitely agree that there is nothing wrong with selling them--that's what I meant by "ordinary art".

What I didn't understand was why people would buy ATCs (or ACEOs) and trade them with other people who bought ACEOs (hence my calling it "Pokemon cardified") 

If I was in fact wrong, and ACEOs are NOT meant to be traded, I then don't understand why people link it to ATCs and why people object to it. Just an art lover buying a card-sized piece of art from an artist--it has nothing to do with the concept of ATCs.

Hopefully I wasn't too unclear. Sorry to ask so many questions!  Lips sealed I'm new to the ATC thing itself, and I'd never even heard of ACEOs before this topic.

I have a friend that is mighty crafty and super artistic that bought an Aceo and had no idea what it was!  She just loved the art and felt great about purchasing it so cheap from Etsy.  She was no way trading it but keeping it.  Now she's introduced to ATC's in a wonderful way.  I LOVE the idea of both!!!  I think trading and ACEO are perfect.  The people who only trade are usually amazing artists and love to be able to trade for great art (which I do anyway on large pieces with my fellow artists) AND the people who want to make a little money can too.  I kind of like the controversy because that way it keeps it honest and people truly THINK about what their beliefs are before selling their art vs trading and the concept behind everything. 

Although people trading to just sell the artwork should be kicked really hard in the shins...that's just not honest because the really great artists are so willing to trade with newbies out of compassion and kindness and they're being taken advantage of.  The good news is that someone caught it. 

I guess, I think, that if you're trading for art with paper with dead presidents on it or paper with great art on it, what's the dif?  It all just represents gold.  Smiley
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Hehe well I agree with you partly... but I never looked at any of this from a moral perspective... I don't think it's wrong to sell your art or whatever.

I just didn't "get" the point. But it doesn't really matter to me, as I won't really be buying or selling ATCs/ACEOs. Cheesy
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« Reply #22 on: January 05, 2007 01:04:46 PM »

Maybe if a lot of people are opposed to selling the ATCs, we could have an ATC swap where you must pay a small entry fee/donation to join the swap. It would be like 50 cents for the first card and $1 per card after the first that you want to trade, but you'd be allowed to donate as much as you like if you want to give more than the minimum.

How would this idea sound?

Another cool idea I was just thinking about would be a anti-raffle for a different prize, like a small painting or some other piece of art, where you buy a raffle ticket (you can get rolls of them at Walmart or party supply places) and then the tickets would be used in an ATC, so even if you don't win the raffle you still get a lovely card.
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« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2007 08:51:01 PM »

Another cool idea I was just thinking about would be a anti-raffle for a different prize, like a small painting or some other piece of art, where you buy a raffle ticket (you can get rolls of them at Walmart or party supply places) and then the tickets would be used in an ATC, so even if you don't win the raffle you still get a lovely card.

You could also set the cost of the ticket as $1 and an ATC, and sell refreshments (the ticket money and refreshments would fund your charity).  Then have a big ATC-picking free-for-all, where everyone got to take one card home with them.
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« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2007 10:17:46 PM »

Maybe if a lot of people are opposed to selling the ATCs, we could have an ATC swap where you must pay a small entry fee/donation to join the swap.
Just so no one is confused, no money can be exchanged in a Craftster swap. I'm sure that's not what you meant, but as a swap mod, I had to say it. Cheesy
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« Reply #25 on: January 07, 2007 10:24:20 PM »

It's totally *not* what I meant.  paradisecrane started this thread to try and come up with a way to use ATCs to raise money for a charity at her college.  I thought that's what Dreamisle was referring to.
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« Reply #26 on: January 08, 2007 09:18:08 AM »

That's what I thought, but in case another member was just scanning thru the posts I wanted to clarify. No worries.
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« Reply #27 on: January 08, 2007 01:25:37 PM »

I didn't quite know about that rule, but the idea can apply to a college group or any other scenario just the same. An alternative could be presenting a certificate or receipt of the donation as a means to enter the swap.
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