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diosaperdida
« on: December 02, 2006 10:57:27 AM »

GAUGE
All pieces: In Stockinette stitch, using USM/ISM KP#2, 19 sts and 25 R = 4"/10 cm

GAUGE
18 sts and 23 rows = 4” in St st using KP2 and MC

both of these guages are listed on two different patterns for the Ultimate Sweater Machine.
Taken from their website.

The yarn used is the same in both cases.

HOW is there a difference?

( And no..while I have hand knit for 20+ years..I don't have much experience with this knitter.)

I started investigating, after having guage issues with mine.
Does anyone know how I can get more consistency?

It kind of stinks when you make a 12 x 13 inch swatch, take your guage..

then when you start knitting the sweater, you have a very different guage.
In this case 4 stitches to the inch as opposed to the 5.75 stitches that my guage swatch gave me.
5.75 rows as opposed to the 7.25 that I got with my guage swatch.

I am letting both peices rest for a full day or more before taking the guage.
Should I also wash them before taking guage to get the full story.
I sometimes will wash my hand knitting guages...but that is to predict the behavior of the finished item...not to try and eliminate differences in how the knitting comes out from one day of the week, to the next.

Anyone that can help...thanks...bec ause as you know, knowing my guage is even more imporatant in machine knitting than in hand, since I can't measure it on a tape while it is on the knitter!
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« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2006 12:20:00 PM »

Washing is usually very important, because the weights stretch the knitting while it's on the machine.

However, that doesn't explain the discrepancies in the USM patterns. With the same tension setting and yarn, the gauge should be the same. I think I'd chalk that one up to bad pattern writing.
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diosaperdida
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2006 12:42:20 PM »

I hope that's all there is to it...both in regards to the pattern issue..and in regards to the issue of my guage being different.
I am not going to proceed with the back of the sweater until I have washed the front...maybe things will look more cohesive.

Thanks dancingbarefoot.

Anyone else with any thoughts feel free to share.
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« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2006 07:16:04 PM »

I'm not familiar with how machine knitting works, but is there any variation in speeds or yarn tension that you have control over?
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dancingbarefoot
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2006 07:59:43 PM »

knittinfiasco, speed is controlled by how fast you move the carriage over the needles (with your hands). Tension is controlled partly by a yarn mast (a big wire that sticks up, although I don't think USM/ISM have these) and mainly by the tension dial (called "keyplate" on USM/ISM models).
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« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2006 08:12:19 PM »

Thanks, dancingbarefoot!

So on these machines, only way it could be the user's fault the gauge to project size might be so different is if s/he were using significantly different speeds in between making them.  Has this been checked out?  Doing something as simple as putting a ruler on the table as you go will help you see more accurately how consistently you're moving (assuming hash marks on rulers are evenly spaced Wink).
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suganspyyce
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2006 08:19:00 PM »

Whether or not you are pulling the yarn loose from the skein while you are knitting affect the tension as well. 
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dancingbarefoot
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2006 11:36:05 AM »

Whether or not you are pulling the yarn loose from the skein while you are knitting affect the tension as well. 

That's what the yarn mast and tension dial are designed to control.
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suganspyyce
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2006 12:50:07 PM »

The USM does not have a tension dial nor a yarn mast.  They keyplates are used for guage.  If you yarn is not loose, your stitches will be tighter no matter which keyplate you use.  I own a USM. 

Keep your eyes peeled for a Bond Elite, they knit smaller guages. 

The most popular machines along this line are the USM and the Silver Reed LK150 which does have a tension dial and a yarn mast. 

Join the forums over at KnittingToday.com for great help and advice. 

Here are some more links if you haven't already found them.

http://www.cara4webshopping.com/cara_books/bond_books.htm
http://users.tznet.com/~brenner/bondchev.htm
http://steesbassoon.tripod.com/warmwishesknitting/id29.html
http://heidisknittingroom.com/index.htm
http://www.kangamooknits.com
http://www.clearwaterknits.com/freepats/sockdoll.html
http://www.woodsnwind.com/Docs/knit/knitbookmarks.html
http://www.geocities.com/carniemichelle/pattern.html?200510
http://www.yarns-and.com/piecrust.htm
http://www.stephthornton.co.uk/knitting/kbond.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Woods/9835/knitpatrn.html
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/kidoodles/
http://knitfits.theotherbell.com/bond-video-club.htm
http://www.greatknitdesigns.com/index.html
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/incrediblesweatermachineclub/
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dancingbarefoot
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2006 07:27:40 PM »

The USM does not have a tension dial nor a yarn mast.  They keyplates are used for guage.  If you yarn is not loose, your stitches will be tighter no matter which keyplate you use.  I own a USM. 

Sorry if I was unclear. I meant above that a keyplate on a USM/ISM corresponds to a tension dial on more complicated machines. The point is that it has a device for controlling tension, whatever the manufacturer wants to call it and regardless of design.

(And I have seen some USMs with yarn masts, actually, but I wasn't sure whether they come standard with the machines or had been jerryrigged by the owners.)

I definitely second the suggestion to look at sites like Heidi's Knitting Room and Steph Thornton. Very useful starter info there and LOTS of free patterns.
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