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« on: November 14, 2006 08:15:23 AM »

Now I've been thinking about making soap for christmas this year and have been looking for some soap idea's around the place and there's just one thing that is confusing the hell out of me:

If you would use fruit/vegetables in soap, won't it rot?

I mean, avocado or cucumber soap would go very rancid, right? and even orange rind soap.. stuff like that.

So, is there something I'm missing? Does soap act as a preservative or is there something you can/have to add to make sure the soap can last longer than a week out of the fridge  Wink?
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« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2006 09:42:42 AM »

i am by no means an expert (i've only done M&P, and not even for that long) but i'm thinking that if its dried, orange rind won't go bad for quite some time.  think about those dried oranges you can make at christmas time--the ones with the cloves?--those last FOREVER and i've never had one go bad on me.  they usually fall apart before they go bad.  as for the other stuff--i haven't the foggiest.  but i'm pretty sure with cucumber, you just use the extract.

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« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2006 10:05:26 AM »

no, Ive seen recipies calling for mushed cucumber..  Undecided

And the dried oranges.. won't they get wet when the soap gets used? And that might then result in mould or other ickyness?
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« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2006 10:57:56 AM »

well i was googling this and found out that you can add preservative to your soap.  its called benzoine, and i assume you can find at soap suppliers like bramble berry.
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« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2006 11:40:11 AM »

Not to find bramble berry in Holland  Wink

I tried to google it, think it's benzoin

this is what I've found:

Uses - Benzoin oil is helpful for treating asthma, bronchitis, colds & flu, soothing sore throats & treating arthritis, & rheumatism. Not strictly an essential oil but a Resinoid, produced from the resin using solvents like alcohol and benzene, which are removed and the result is dissolved in ethyl glycol or similar. The antiseptic properties are good for cuts, chapped, inflamed or irritated skin conditions. It acts as a carminative when taken internally is rapidly absorbed, and mildly expectorant diuretic and antiseptic to the urinary passages. In the form of Compound Tincture of Benzoin, it is used as an inhalant with steam in laryngitis and bronchitis. It is a preservative of fats, and is often used for that purpose.

Cautions - Has been known to cause allergic reactions, perform a skin test before use.
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Hmm Allergic reactions thing... not so good
It doesn't say anything about conserving anything other than fats.. hmm, I think it's getting there, but not just yet   Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2006 07:38:44 PM »

Fruits and veggies used in traditional soapmaking methods (not melt & pour) won't go bad because soap is basically a salt, and salts are used to preserve things.

Also, mold needs water to grow, and there's not a whole lot of water in soap when it's cured.

That's my theory, and I'm sticking to it. Smiley

I recently participated in a food soap swap with other soapmakers and there was everything from avocado to chocolate to eggplant. I used whole milk yogurt in mine. They're all fine, several months later.

Unless you keep it in an uber-humid area, my guess is that the superfatting oils will go rancid before the foodstuffs do.

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« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2006 07:56:26 PM »

good to know, and very interesting!  i'd love to try out some eggplant soap! 
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« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2006 08:05:53 PM »

Hi,

I have an article on my website which was written by a soaper ( I dabble so Iam not a soaper yet.. Smiley  )might be of help
http://www.craftbits.com/viewProject.do?projectID=746

But I have never added preservatives to my own soaps, but then again mine don't hang around long enough to go bad as they are usually used straight away...

it really depends on how long u intend to keep the soaps.

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« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2007 09:43:21 AM »

I am new at all this and have been looking at a bunch of websites on how to make soap. On one it said not to use fresh fruits and vegetables in glycerin soaps because they will mold and dried herbs will turn brown. I was wondering if that was true because I seem to be getting mixed messages about it. Thanks!
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« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2007 09:25:28 PM »

I don't know about the mold thing, but lots of dried herbs do turn brown. It's kind of a bummer when you think you've made it all pretty and then it is icky brown later! What all were you wanting to use?
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« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2007 07:30:03 PM »

I thought it would be neat to use lemon rind spirals or something like that, but I am not so sure now. Thanks for the reply  Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2007 01:25:18 PM »

Hmm that would be really pretty! Maybe just try a small batch and see? If you were using slightly dry lemon rind that might be better (at least if you're worried about the mold thing) but it wouldn't be a soft spiral like fresh...
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« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2007 05:56:30 PM »

i think that's what i'm going to do, thanks!
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« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2012 10:10:31 PM »

I'm wondering if I could use avocados, carrots, etc in bath and body products.  I mostly do hp soap..any advice?
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« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2012 09:48:48 PM »

For HP, add the mushed avocados, juiced carrots (or cook & mush) in with your oils so they go through the saponification.  If you add them at the end of the cook you will risk them going bad.
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« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2012 03:19:56 PM »

Just merging similar threads.
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« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2012 06:56:22 PM »

I tried carrots and didn't watch it well...it bubbled over and I lost the batch Sad...I've seen someone who added the carrots to the oils before adding the lye..also she did cp soap so I may try it that way.
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« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2012 10:42:18 PM »

I find this thread very interesting. I have never made any kind of bath product, but am wanting to make some simple bath bombs and bath salts for mother's day. I'm also confused on the whole fresh food thing. I've seen many recipes calling for fresh foods like avocado. I'm wondering, can fruit pastes/candy be used? I have boxes filled with coconut-pinnaple candy and tropical fruit pastes such as orange, mango, guava and pineapple, all just sitting in my pantry. My mother loves tropical scents and was wondering wether the pastes could be used in bath products or the candy. How long would they last? Would they cause infections due to the sugar content? Help! xD
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« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2012 06:07:42 PM »

I've used fresh carrot juice in CP soap successfully. I replaced the water with the juice. The lye makes it smell horrible at first, but 24 hours later it smells divine! And it's held up perfectly.
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« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2012 11:12:21 AM »

Here's an article that gives some information on the topic: http://www.everythingsheacreates.com/2011/08/melt-pour-soap-basics.html
As I work mainly with melt and pour soap, the answer is that fresh milk, fruits, vegetables, etc., should NOT be added.
Hope this helps!
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