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« Reply #90 on: October 19, 2006 12:27:19 PM »

hmm interesting post. i'm also a vegan and wondered about this myself
but then i started dating a boy who's family owned a sheep farm and questioned him about it a lot and aside from the whole cutting off the tails of sheep, the sheep seem to be treated well
so i didn't think about it anymore
but now reading the posts which i did read (i didn't read all 10 pages because i'm lazy ok i admit it happy now!?! Tongue) it's making me rethink things. i guess a lot of wool would come from big farms...
i wonder if there's any way to pinpoint the actual source of the wool? stuff bought at farmer's markets are prolly cool because they're from small farms but alas i don't buy my yarn at farmers markets

interesting post though, glad someone brought it up, stuff to think about
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« Reply #91 on: December 20, 2006 12:47:36 PM »

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,20956911-5001026,00.html

i'm officially done with wool
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« Reply #92 on: December 21, 2006 05:42:53 AM »

I can't beleive this is still going.

It's really too bad. Of all the small mom-and-pop farms with a few happy well cared for sheep there's always some bigger farm or "mill" giving the industry as a whole a bad rep. my son is in 4H (goat club) and we do many activities with the sheep club. It's so nice to see kids rasied to respect their animals and care for them. The sheep are never hurt in any way. And during fair week the older kids with sheep actually sleep right along side them, keeping them from harm. I don't oppose using or wearing wool, but it's a crime when an animal is manhandled and hurt. So I buy locally or at the fairs.
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« Reply #93 on: December 21, 2006 06:35:18 AM »

LOL..cotton is good for all kinds of things...including sweaters, and purses. I have made both with cotton...and so have many others.
Perhaps you would enjoy using hemp yarn?
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« Reply #94 on: December 21, 2006 06:51:55 AM »

I can't beleive this is still going.

It's really too bad. Of all the small mom-and-pop farms with a few happy well cared for sheep there's always some bigger farm or "mill" giving the industry as a whole a bad rep. my son is in 4H (goat club) and we do many activities with the sheep club. It's so nice to see kids rasied to respect their animals and care for them. The sheep are never hurt in any way. And during fair week the older kids with sheep actually sleep right along side them, keeping them from harm. I don't oppose using or wearing wool, but it's a crime when an animal is manhandled and hurt. So I buy locally or at the fairs.

i agree. as i said in a previous post, my bf used to have a sheep farm and their sheeps were treated well. from now on it's only wool from farmer's markets or no wool at all for me. or when i have my own farm, wool from my own sheep
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« Reply #95 on: December 21, 2006 03:06:51 PM »

This was posted quite a long time ago, both in terms of like 50 years ago, and about 5 pages ago, but someone did post regarding the environmental impact of plant-based yarns, including bamboo. I just wanted to toss in that for vegans or anyone else concerned with the environment and the creatures that live in it, bamboo is actually a really good option. Compared to pretty much any other fiber, it's remarkably cruelty free. Bamboo is a sustainable product, and grows sort of the way hay does - harvesting bamboo is very different from harvesting trees, because bamboo is actually a grass. It grows every year and doesn't need fertilizer or pesticide, and while I'm sure there are places that clear-cut and mess stuff up, it's significantly better than cotton or other plant fibers.
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« Reply #96 on: December 21, 2006 06:46:53 PM »

Bamboo??? Cool. Where can I find bamboo yarns? Have you ever used it? Details, details.........
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« Reply #97 on: December 21, 2006 06:49:21 PM »

wool isnt cruel....you dont kill the sheep and they grow it back. if cutting wool is cruel so is cutting your own hair
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« Reply #98 on: December 21, 2006 07:45:45 PM »

Wool isn't cruel, and actually cutting some of the wool off of a sheep can be really nice to them! But the way the sheep are treated, especially on the really big sheep farms like those found in Australia, that can be incredibly cruel. Sheep are often horribly mistreated during the wool growing process. Plus, they haven't given humans permission to use their clothes to make clothes of our own, so we're also sort of stealing from them.

Anyway, bamboo. I've never worked with it, but I have a few bought socks made of bamboo yarn. They're reallllllllly soft! I've been looking for bamboo yarn to knit, but I haven't found any near me yet. This website about vegan knitting has some info and some links to places that sell it. From what I understand, it's as soft or even softer than silk yarns, and much more durable than other plant fibers. Honestly, it seems like pretty much the ideal yarn!
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« Reply #99 on: December 22, 2006 04:32:48 PM »

If the mill's would pay commercial wool farmers better for their fleeces, farmers would be much more likely to come up with more humane methods to prevent fly strike, other than mulesing.  Also, shearers need to start being paid differently, by the hour or something, so they try harder not to nick the sheep.  However, I have been on a large sheep farm ( at least a few hundred head of sheep) at shearing time, and from what I saw, very few sheep were nicked while being shorn, I probably cut myself more shaving my legs.  Also I have seen my own sheep suffer and die from fly strike, and I'm telling you now, it is a very slow, painful death.

I don't agree with us importing sheep to be killed inhumanely overseas, and I wish they could come up with a more humane way to prevent sheep getting fly blown, but I also know that Australian farmers are very underpaid for the work that goes into producing that wool.  Before anything else is done, we need to get the big mill's to start paying more for the wool itself.  Merino especially is worth a lot more than we are being charged for it.
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