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« on: August 16, 2004 08:06:37 AM »

Maybe we could mention in the etiquette of swap that you must post when you have received your package.  It seems from reading the posts and from personal experience that that is something that gets forgotten sometimes.  For me I get really excited about sending my creation and then when I never hear from the person that I sent to it  makes me feel like it wasn't appreciated. 

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« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2004 09:00:04 AM »

i second that.
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« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2004 06:56:18 PM »

I agree with this too.  Sometimes it takes me a few days to post it though.  I can;t always make it to the computer every day although I try.
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« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2004 11:20:33 AM »

I am so for that! I've sent a couple of things w/o any feedback-- just delivery confirmation from USPS. If they don't like the stuff, that's cool, but at least acknowledge!!!
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« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2004 07:02:52 PM »

I would tend to agree. It's always a little disheartening to not know if your person actually has their item
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« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2004 02:54:44 PM »

 Smiley i agree with everyone. it is important to acknowledge someone's hard work otherwise the person may give up on swaps wouldn't it be awful if we didn't have them.
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« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2004 10:52:13 AM »

I can't figure out why people do this.  It's so disheartening to spend a bunch of time (which I have very little of with two small children) and money (which is also hard to come by) on a swap when the recipient never acknowledges its receipt or bothers to post about it.

Between bad experiences with the deco swaps and swap partners who can't be bothered to acknowledge that they've received their goodies (and maybe even liked it a little), I'm just about to give up on craftster swapping.
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« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2004 11:00:09 AM »

Don't give up on me!  Your a great swapper and I want to continue being swappees!
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« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2004 07:38:00 PM »

hijole-

I agree with your post.  I was trying to figure out a diplomatic way of posting a swap for "good" swappers only.  I've only just started swapping for the past several months but have really taken a liking to it and would love to participate and maybe even organize one or more but I am disheartened by the lack of courtesy shown by some others. But, I guess a swap is a reflection of the world.  Sometimes it is great and sometimes it ain't.
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« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2004 04:51:35 PM »

I just sent something out that I really wanted to keep and never heard a word about it. I know it arrived because I've been checking the tracking number!

I'm so upset about it and I want to say something to that person, but I just don't know what to say.
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« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2004 08:43:34 PM »

Pearliepie, that's so hard!  It's happened to me a few times when I did some things that really turned out well and were emotionally charged for me.  I'd have hard time parting with the piece, but would go ahead and send it out -- and then *nothing*. 

To make matters more complicated, my 4-year-old frequently gets upset because she ends up liking what I made and wants to keep it.  It's really hard to explain that it's for someone else, and it's getting harder to justify.
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« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2004 08:51:32 PM »

I sent a message to 2 of my swap partners that never acknowledged receipt of their stuff. It was a very "clean" letter, not accusatory in any fashion.  I just let them know that I was hurt by their lack of response.  They both received their packages from me the first week of October. They haven't responded, but that's OK, mainly I wanted them to know how their actions affected me.
I feel like I'm turning into one of those people I used to make fun of when I was younger..."in my day kids had respect dammit! what's this world coming to?!" sheesh, I better go take an anti-geezer pill, a beer will have to suffice tonight instead
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« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2004 09:27:12 AM »

I'll make a note to "shower norsgoebel with praise" when I receive my Pringles Goodie Can...hehehe....HEY(ducks out of the way of the Pringles can being hurled at her head )
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« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2004 01:34:54 PM »

Better duck fast, I'm a crack shot!  all my years decorating cakes have given me bigger forearms than Sammy Sosa!  Besides, I don't need showers of fake praise, just some courtesy is all I ask for...
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« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2004 05:18:38 AM »

Amen to adding that to the guidelines!  I understand if one can't post pictures.  Not everyone has a camera or even neccessarily a scanner.  Heck, I have a digital camera right now but it's not downloading the pics to the hard drive and I feel terrible about that.  But at least acknowledge that you got it.  Geez!  If one can log onto the board long enough to sign up for it, then they can log on long enough to say, "Thanks Swap Buddy!  I got my ________ in the mail today!  Thanks for all your hard work!"  Bah.  Some people. 
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« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2004 09:43:18 PM »

well i agree with every comment made so far.  i've only begun swaps in the last few months and well i don't know whether it's me or the posttage here in australia. firstly two dolls just haven't made it to me and this bugs me because one was a journal doll swap and the other was in the doll swap,i have been so looking forward to receiving i've even cleared a corner in my lounge room to have it show,and thats sadly not it, i started a straight doll swap and all things have been ok but a couple have just not pm'd to say they have received to those people who may be reading this it is only comman courtesy to reply, i'm  not forcing a THANKYOU as that could push it but i think i've lost interest in swapping to people in toher countries which saddens me because i was soo excited that my mailman now flies by.
THANKYOU to those who have the courtesy to reply to and keep contact.  Well i do need to wonder maybe it's just me.
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« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2004 09:43:38 AM »

Hi all

I was just part of my first swap, and I guess it's not gone that good for me - first off I haven't received my package, and seeing as it was for Halloween, that kinda makes it sadder.  Cry  Also, I have no clue as to whether or not my partner received theirs - which I've already gathered happens now and then to quite a few people.

I was holding out until the last, hoping my package would come.  I know what tam means, maybe it is just me, but I do feel like I've been dropped in a way.  I live in South Africa, so I don't even know if there are any other swapper on the same continent (I'm sure there are  Smiley ). You don't have to PM the person to let them know you got their stuff, even just posting to say you did on the thread is enough.  If a person had 5 minutes to sign up, surely they've got 5 minutes just to say they got they stuff!

Anyway, that's just my feeling, but it does make you wary of swapping - just a little.
Thanks for letting me vent a little.
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« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2004 09:52:53 PM »


I was holding out until the last, hoping my package would come.  I know what tam means, maybe it is just me, but I do feel like I've been dropped in a way.  I live in South Africa, so I don't even know if there are any other swapper on the same continent (I'm sure there are  Smiley ). You don't have to PM the person to let them know you got their stuff, even just posting to say you did on the thread is enough.  If a person had 5 minutes to sign up, surely they've got 5 minutes just to say they got they stuff!

Anyway, that's just my feeling, but it does make you wary of swapping - just a little.
Thanks for letting me vent a little.
Mariza  Smiley

Edited, cause I find that people do come through in different ways, and I was being repetitive.

M- I honestly swear I sent you your package.
I am freaking out, though, as I sent it the same day/time I sent the Dark Doll to the UK & she hasn't said a (bleeping) thing. I have the receipt with the customs & label #s, stuff sent on October 5th... and no idea what has happened to the packages:(
 If you don't get your stuff by the 10th (one month + five days transit) I will make completley random Random package for you & try it again!
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« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2004 04:37:45 AM »

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Don't worry - I know you sent the package (I saw the stuff you sent, but will never get to hold it  Cry)- trust me this is the SA postal services at it's best.  Remember I told you they moved the post-office without any prior notice to the boxholders...well, that's the kind of thing they do.  They're not all bad, but when they screw up, they do it GOOD.  Imagine, going to get your mail, and there's like just a small piece of paper up saying, oh by the way, the PO has moved, please get you new keys here..... We suspect that we've had a few mail items go lost, like regular bills (now that would be nice  Wink

Please don't worry yourself too much, I think it's sad for both of us that the package seems to have gone to the gremlins, and you really don't have to go to any trouble.  These things happen.  As long as you enjoyed the swap, that's cool.  Just knowing that you're worried is bad - DON'T WORRY!  I already feel like I'm making a fuss - we'll meet up again in another swap I'm sure, and that'll be fine!  I sound like a baby throwing her toys out the cot!

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« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2004 07:35:13 PM »

I can vouch for Iqjones.  She is a great swapper.  I have been in many swaps with her.  Overseas mailing sucks.  I lost a doll between Minnesota and Australia.  Good luck, M.  I hope your package arrives.

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« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2004 10:18:48 PM »

I can vouch for Iqjones.  She is a great swapper.  I have been in many swaps with her.  Overseas mailing sucks.  I lost a doll between Minnesota and Australia.  Good luck, M.  I hope your package arrives.



You are the sweetest!!!
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« Reply #21 on: November 08, 2004 01:50:16 PM »

I can't figure out why people do this.  It's so disheartening to spend a bunch of time (which I have very little of with two small children) and money (which is also hard to come by) on a swap when the recipient never acknowledges its receipt or bothers to post about it.

Between bad experiences with the deco swaps and swap partners who can't be bothered to acknowledge that they've received their goodies (and maybe even liked it a little), I'm just about to give up on craftster swapping.

I am with you on that one - I have been burned on swaps for a total of around 6 times!!  Its very disheartening - I am still waiting on a swap I did in June!! (from the Swap Shop mind you)  Its incredibly disheartening.
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« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2004 04:36:08 PM »

I am for if there is a good way to do it a good swappers swap.... maybbe a confirmed swappers swap? because I too have seen people publicly thank others for their things and even post pics but mine gets not a word, which kiills me because I know they have cameras!!! One person went so far as to send me crap and not thank me....grrrrrr..... we need a angry stern face in insert here.....
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« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2005 10:49:44 PM »

I agree that posting when you receive your item should be mandatory. I also think it would be good to have feedback ratings for swapping so people can see how you have done in the past. That way people don't have to swap with people that haven't shown they are committed to making it a cool experience for everyone. Knowing you will be getting feedback posted to your profile would motivate people to stay on top of this stuff.

I just did my first swap and sent out some things I was really proud of promptly and got the delivery confirmation some time ago, but no word from the person who got it, even though I sent them a tracking number and asked if they could post pics when they receive it since I didn't get a chance to take some because I was in a rush to get the package out on time.

Meanwhile, this person has posted other comments in the swap thread.  Huh
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« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2005 08:16:11 AM »



Meanwhile, this person has posted other comments in the swap thread.  Huh

did you pm this person? i hate when people do this!! Thank you. 2 words..thats all.
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« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2005 08:24:30 AM »



Meanwhile, this person has posted other comments in the swap thread.  Huh

did you pm this person? i hate when people do this!! Thank you. 2 words..thats all.

Some people just don't seem to get Etiquette. 
Some people PM instead of posting-- that's okay, but they really need to let the swap organizer know!!!
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« Reply #26 on: February 16, 2005 08:34:55 AM »

yeah, i always post in the gallery, but sometimes i pm as well. i always pm if i've sent it and havent heard anything for like 2 weeks. if these people are so inconsiderate on a craft forum, imagine how they are in real life.
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« Reply #27 on: February 16, 2005 10:05:41 AM »

punkrockgirl, if you mean me, I apologize for not posting yet about what you sent me. Embarrassed  I just got back into town Monday night and I usually like to post when I can include a picture.  Right now I can't find my digital camera, and need to ask my hubby what he did with it.

I'm always sorta torn in this regard.  I hate to wait, but I also hate to not include a picture.  I suppose at the very least I should have PMd you.  I'm really sorry that you got a bad impression of me.  I'll post now and add a picture later when I find the camera.

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« Reply #28 on: February 16, 2005 11:27:02 PM »

I am irritated because I sent packages out and my secret craftster has yet to comment on my last two packages....I am not asking for a parade, just a confirmation that it was received.....
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« Reply #29 on: February 17, 2005 12:37:00 AM »

Sorry to overreact Xmelinda. I think I was a little jumpy because it's my first swap. Thanks so much for acknowledging you got the package Smiley I totally understand about the pictures. I think I might feel the same way. PM'ing seems to be a good idea.

Also, now my sender posted to day to say her package is headed my way late. I feel much better now. My faith in craftster swappers is restored and hopefully I won't be so quick to jump to conclusions next time.
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« Reply #30 on: February 17, 2005 10:14:36 AM »

I am irritated because I sent packages out and my secret craftster has yet to comment on my last two packages....I am not asking for a parade, just a confirmation that it was received.....
  That's the same thing that's happened to me...it sucks
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I think modifications should be made to the swapping feedback. You shouldn't get positive feedback for just completing the swap, you should get feedback based on communication, wether you followed swap guidelines, went above the swap requirements (people who consistently do that should get the credit for it) etc..... I know of one frequent swapper I suspect is taking advantage of the swapping system by just sending out stuff, and not sending out appropriate thanks yous, and re-swapping items. Just sending a package should not constitute a positive rating. Who is in charge of the rating system? I like it, but I can see modifications being made to help out the rest of us hard working well mannered grateful ethical swappers.
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« Reply #32 on: July 12, 2005 02:52:34 PM »

I think modifications should be made to the swapping feedback. You shouldn't get positive feedback for just completing the swap, you should get feedback based on communication, wether you followed swap guidelines, went above the swap requirements (people who consistently do that should get the credit for it) etc..... I know of one frequent swapper I suspect is taking advantage of the swapping system by just sending out stuff, and not sending out appropriate thanks yous, and re-swapping items. Just sending a package should not constitute a positive rating. Who is in charge of the rating system? I like it, but I can see modifications being made to help out the rest of us hard working well mannered grateful ethical swappers.

Maybe swap organizers just need to work on using the "organizer comments" more - so they can add "excellent, amazing swapper" or "technically completed, but - meh-"??
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« Reply #33 on: July 13, 2005 04:57:06 AM »

What do you guys think if we do it this way:

Give the user POSITIVE as long as they fulfilled the swap and ALWAYS use the comment form to say a few things about this person's participcation.

This way, us moderators can look into problematic people and if they have multiple comments that are somewhat negetive, we can ask them not to swap anymore OR give them a last warning to follow the rules, etc, etc.

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"Awesome swapper. Great communication. Thoughtful and well made swap item."

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"Technically fulfilled swap but the item sent seemed to be lacking in effort, did not follow the theme and smelled like mold."

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« Reply #34 on: July 13, 2005 02:25:05 PM »

excellent idea! great way to track the slacker swappers.
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« Reply #35 on: July 23, 2005 12:25:38 PM »

I've just completed my first swap and had the same thing happen, the DCN said it got there but no mention. Not with all the people I sent to though.

Since I'm new to the swapping, how long do people usually wait to maybe give a little nudge to see if the partner received? I don't want to be a pest nor be rude, I just want to make sure they did receive it and they found it acceptable. I may just go by krazigal72's 2 week idea. At least hopefully they are keeping the organizer up to date.

I PM'd my partners the day I received, but then again I have no idea which people have the time that I do to be able to do that. Then again too, I have no idea if they maybe are out of town, or just are having a hectic week so I'd hate to make them feel bad.
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« Reply #36 on: July 23, 2005 01:00:53 PM »

I know how you feel Sewpixie. It's awful to not know if they got it and then  if they did get it, wonder why they haven't acknowledged. I realize there will always be circumstances where the recipient could not get to the computer right away to thank their swap partner but for the most part I feel it's just bad manners. It may be that I am an "older" Craftster but I ALWAYS acknowledge any swap package (or any mailed gifts) right away. It must come from when I was a kid, I wasn't allowed to play with a gift or spend a money gift until I wrote a thank you note. Great motivation!
It's just common courtesy, right?
Leah, I like your idea about always using the comment box. This way people will be able to look back and know who they are dealing with up front.

sheesh.... I sound like an old lady!
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« Reply #37 on: July 23, 2005 09:24:48 PM »

Well add me to the old lady crowd, because I was raised much the same and am suffering unaknowledged package reciever and got skimped on 3 packages in a row.
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« Reply #38 on: August 02, 2005 10:39:00 AM »

I find it sooo weird that people dont want to post when their swap packages arrive.... I just completed my second swap and seriously I was sooo excited I was posting as I was trying my item on.... getting a crafted item just makes me wanna share it w/ other crafty people.... I mean, I show it to ppl around my house and their like... ummm thats nice i guess or some other lackluster comment... other craftsters love this stuff!!!
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« Reply #39 on: August 26, 2005 02:25:26 AM »

thanks to everyone who posted their feelings about this. i have never participated in a swap but i would really like to, and reading this has given me an important perspecitve i think.

It is helpful to be remineded that people really get attached to the things they create. It seems like common sense since i know i get emotionally attached, lol, but sometimes we get caught up in our own stuff and can be insensitive.  And while reading these posts filled with hurt feelings, i began thinking that posting a reply and a thank you really is necessary reciprocation for what is, in actuality,a gift.

On my part, getting a hold of a digital camera is sometimes difficult, but after reading this i will know to worry less about waiting to post until i can take a pic, and make sure i articulate my gratitude. in a timely manner! Good stuff to know! thanks all. this has been good to hear Grin
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« Reply #40 on: October 01, 2005 01:40:57 PM »

I was not acknowledged by my first swap partner but I didn't want to complain. I had no idea this was/is happening to others. I thought maybe my swap items just really sucked (well, I liked them).
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« Reply #41 on: October 01, 2005 03:00:28 PM »

I'm in the middle of my first swap and so far, it has been a positive experience.  My swap partner (you know who you are Wink) is awesome and we've communicated via pm quite a few times before the packages were mailed.  She has thanked me and acknowledged the receipt of my stuff and I intend to reciprocate when I receive her package.  I've read horror stories about flaking and the general lack of etiquette on this forum.  For a newbie, it's a tad discouraging to read about these issues, but I'm also eternally optimistic that on the whole, the members of this forum are awesome Grin  I agree that it's important to acknowledge receipt and thank your swap partner, regardless of whether the item(s) you received is to your liking.  Most folks who craft take pride in their work, and at the very least, their efforts need to be recognized.  As for receiving crafted items that 'appear' to have been produced with a distinct lack of effort on the crafter's part, I would rather just assume that the crafter is new to crafting.  There might be a remote chance that the item was deemed as 'perfect' by a newbie crafter and viewed as 'less than perfect' by a seasoned crafter.  Yes, it might be a naive approach, but I'm comfortable with that Smiley
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