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bryonyramsden
« on: August 06, 2006 04:11:37 AM »

I'm making pattern 241 (the top down v neck cardi), and I have a bit of an issue with the instructions.

I'm starting with 28 sts between two markers, and there is a set of 7 increase rows that I'm supposed to do till I get to 68 sts between markers.  I increase 8 times in the first repeat (2 sts every other row, starting increasing on row 1), then leave off the first row and increase 6 every repeat after that.  The instructions say to repeat 'rows 2 through 7' until I get to 68 sts, then work the 2nd row again, but I will get to that point in the middle of the repeats.

Just to prove the maths...
28 plus the first 8 increases=36
36 plus the set of 6 increases=42
42 plus the next 6=48
Then 54
Then 60
Then 66...
That means that I still have 4 rows left in the repeat.

I don't know about anyone else, but to me the instructions are a little open to interpretation...  Without the maths I would have read it as repeating the whole set and that I would have 68 sts at the end of row 7.  With the maths, I'm wondering whether I should just stop as soon as I have 68 sts and do row 2 and move on to the next instructions.

I feel really stupid about this - I'm definitely not a beginner knitter but I feel like it right now!  Keep in mind that I'm a Brit knitter though, and when I read Rowan patterns I find them written in a totally different way to US patterns.  I think there has been a discussion either here or on the Rowan members board that there is a big difference in the way they are written, and personally I find US patterns can be quite general compared to how explicit Rowan and other UK pattern writers are and sometimes need some more clarification with them, while I've seen some US knitters having difficulty interpreting UK patterns because of how over-complicated the instructions can get by being so explicit.  A UK pattern would be more likely to tell you which row to stop on for each sizing, hence I'm not used to having to use my brain for anything other than the stitch pattern and working out where I am!  Doing this one will do me good and stop me from being so lack-a-daisy over my knitting Wink

I'm currently inclined to go with the latter meaning, but if anyone has made this pattern themselves and can point me in the right direction, I'd really appreciate it!

Cheers
Bryony
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Fozziebear54
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2006 08:50:43 AM »

Could you post the section of pattern that you're having issues with? It's possible that you've misread the instructions, but without actually seeing the wording of the pattern, I don't know how to help you, since I don't own the pattern.
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bryonyramsden
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2006 11:58:37 AM »

Love the name Fozzie Cheesy  Thanks for offering to help.

Here is the secion I'm working on - the problem arises from the instruction at the end.

I've already cast on the required stitches, and have 28sts as required between the markers in question.

Working back and forth in ss and slipping all markers as you come to them

Row 1: k1, m1, *inc, slip marker, inc, k to within 1 st of next marker* rep at each marker, m1, k1
Row 2: p
Row 3: *k to withing 1 st of next marker, inc, slip marker, inc*, rep at each marker, k to end of row.
Row 4: p1, m1, p to within 1 st of end of row, m1, p1
Row 5: as row 3
Row 6: p
Row 7: k1, m1, *k to withing 1st st of next marker, inc, slip marker, inc*, rep at each marker, k to within 1 st of end of row, m1, k1

Repeat rows 2 through 7 until there are 68 sts between back markers.  Work row 2 one more time.

So I essentially I work rows 1-7, then repeat 2-7 till I have 68 sts, but it doesn't add up to stop on row 7.  At least not in my head...
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« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2006 01:19:42 PM »

Love the name Fozzie Cheesy  Thanks for offering to help.

Here is the secion I'm working on - the problem arises from the instruction at the end.

I've already cast on the required stitches, and have 28sts as required between the markers in question.

Working back and forth in ss and slipping all markers as you come to them

Row 1: k1, m1, *inc, slip marker, inc, k to within 1 st of next marker* rep at each marker, m1, k1
Row 2: p
Row 3: *k to withing 1 st of next marker, inc, slip marker, inc*, rep at each marker, k to end of row.
Row 4: p1, m1, p to within 1 st of end of row, m1, p1
Row 5: as row 3
Row 6: p
Row 7: k1, m1, *k to withing 1st st of next marker, inc, slip marker, inc*, rep at each marker, k to within 1 st of end of row, m1, k1

Repeat rows 2 through 7 until there are 68 sts between back markers.  Work row 2 one more time.

So I essentially I work rows 1-7, then repeat 2-7 till I have 68 sts, but it doesn't add up to stop on row 7.  At least not in my head...

I read it as increasing 2 stitches between the markers on each row on rows 1, 3, 5 and 7, so that's 8 stitches for the first repeat, then 6 for repeating rows 2-7. You need to increase 40 stitches and it doesn't quite make it, does it. Could be there's a typo and you actually end up with 68 sts after you do row 2 one last time. Have you checked to see if there's been corrections to the pattern?

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bryonyramsden
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2006 01:48:44 PM »

I've checked for an errata on it, and there isn't one.  I also did a hunt on google for other people having finished it, and no one mentions that there's a problem with that section at all!  Or at least for as long as I could be bothered hunting...  I worked it out for a couple of other sizes, but they don't seem to match that repeat for finishing on row 7/2 either.  At the mo I can only see it working if I stop increasing as soon as I hit 68 sts and do row 2 straight away at that point (given that it is just a plain purl side, that wouldn't make any difference to the number of stitches at that point, so it wouldn't do harm to try).

Poop.  If that doesn't work, maybe I should email them to get more info.  Undecided
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Fozziebear54
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2006 05:53:01 PM »

Definitely email the designer. It doesn't seem to me like your math is off, either... but usually a pattern doesn't have you stop in the middle of one of the increase repeats to get the required stitch count.
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« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2006 10:46:09 AM »

I agree that those instructions are a bit ambiguous.  I've made a lot of top-down raglan cardigans and pullovers.  This pattern walks you through the front increases - that's the K1 M1 part at the beginning and ending of the rows.  The other increases are your raglan increases for your sleeves and the beauty part of making a raglan sweater is that it's so flexible.  Your instructions are telling you to increase before and after your sleeve markers every right side row until there are 68 stitches for the back and then you purl another row because you don't want to end on the wrong side.  The repeat rows 2/7 is a little misleading because you obviously don't get all the way through the repeats.
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bryonyramsden
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2006 11:36:19 AM »

Thanks Sgolard (and all you other guys too!).  I understood all the raglan shaping (I've made top down raglans before), but that's one of two options I considered for the end of the quoted instructions.  The other was to work to the end of 7 rows, which just sounded stupid Cheesy  Your suggestion is what I'm planning to do, but I've actually emailed KP&S for clarification now, so I'm still going to wait for them to email back and see what they say about being so ambiguous Wink  I'm faffing with studying (which is clearly why I am on Craftster and hunting for cute pics to make into intarsia instead of reading about disintermediation in libraries and information retrieval) so I suppose waiting is potentially good for me...  Stupid studying Sad
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soozeq
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2006 11:38:02 AM »

Ahhh, I think you've got it, sgolard; keep increasing until there's 68 sts between the markers, doesn't matter if you end with row 7 or not. I was thinking row 2 is another increase row, but it's just plain, so doesn't have anything to do with the number of stitches.

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