A Crafts Community For Craft Ideas & DIY Projects - Craftster.org
Help | About | Contact | Press | Advertise | Cookie Policy | Terms | Site Map
Welcome, Guest.
Please login or register.
Random Tip: Need help? Click the HELP link at the top of the screen to read the docs or ask at the Help Desk.
Total Members: 302,356
Currently Running With Scissors:
451 Guests and 7 Users
Home Craftster Community Crafting Articles Craft Tutorials My Craftster Crafting Calendar City Guides Craft Shop


Pages: [1]
Jump to page:
  Show Images Only     Send this topic  |  Print  |  Bookmark  
Topic: dinner sets and utensils?  (Read 1284 times)
Tags for this thread:  Add new tag
Share the love... Pin it Submit to reddit add to Wists
1+
 
ShinyThings
Offline Offline

Posts: 165
Joined: 17-May-2007

hurray for clay!


View Profile WWW
« on: May 19, 2007 01:30:03 PM »

Hi everyone!  I got into clay a few months back and I've been addicted ever since.  I think that this site is a godsend with the plethora of information contained in it.  Thanks everyone for making crafting a little less frustrating. Cheesy

Onto the question...

I've been trying to make plates and silverware for the little cakes and things that I make with clay.  It's purely for display purposes since, well, who has a cake without a stand?  Or cake slices without spoons and forks?  I've been trying in earnest to make them, but I've failed miserably every time.  I can't seem to get the shapes of the knives or forks correctly, and the spoons all look like lopsided popsicle sticks.  Cry To top things off, my plates never have even edges and are usually lopsided and wobbly.

Does anyone here have any suggestions for making plates/cups/bowls/forks...etc. without messing up like I have been?  I've heard of using molds and things, but I wouldn't even know where to start in making one.  Would a mold made with clay be OK for... well... molding clay? Tongue

Eeeeee... help please?  I feel overwhelmed...  Shocked
THIS ROCKS   Logged

the DeviantArt account:
http://hanaclayworks.deviantart.com

the Etsy - UP AND RUNNING! Cheesy Cheesy
http://ikebanana.etsy.com
SupernovaDesigns
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2007 04:52:28 PM »

I know one user here who has posted tutorials uses a small marble to make bowls. she takes a small disc of clay, molds it over the marble (which i think she wets to allow for easy release; cornstarch works very nicely for this as well- just dust a thin layer on the clay and rinse it off afterward), unmolds it, bakes, then trims the edges with an xacto knife and files them lightly to smooth them out. For a plate, I guess if you could find something a good shape to use a sort of mold, maybe like a bottle cap or something...

for utensils, honestly, the only ones i would try would be a spoon or a knife, but NEVER a fork lol. unless you made the end a little paddle and gave it little indents to distinguish the tines. that could give the effect of a fork without being impossible.

One thing you could do that might work well with something like ice cream is have just the handle of the untensil showing. like the handle of the spoon sticking up out of the bowl, and it looks like the spoon part is buried in the ice cream, but really there is no spoon part. i hope that make some kind of sense....

you can definitely use a mold made from clay for molding clay as long as you're careful. you should never bake the two pieces together. some kind of release, like water or a powder, would be a good idea to keep the raw clay from sticking to the mold. also, i'd recommend not using a sticky clay like sculpey, as it seems to me that it would be more likey to stick to the mold.

For flatware, maybe you could try looking at dollhouse miniatures? because they are collectible items, they might get pricey, but if you hunt around on ebay you might find something. also, i remember having plastic utensils for my barbie set when i was little. since the forks and stuff don't get baked, that might also be an option.
THIS ROCKS   Logged

Visit my Etsy shop
SupernovaDesigns.etsy.com
ShinyThings
Offline Offline

Posts: 165
Joined: 17-May-2007

hurray for clay!


View Profile WWW
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2007 06:27:59 PM »

I actually saw that tutorial for the bowl a while ago on dA, but I don't have any marbles large enough.  Ever since, I've been trying to find things around here that may act as a replacement for the marble, but have so far been unsuccessful.  Cheesy

Don't worry... the spoon handle thing did make sense to me. hehe

I have a large shipment of sculpey III coming so maybe I shouldn't make the molds out of clay after all?  I was wondering, though... if I place a thin layer of foil in-between the clay and the plate mold, wouldn't that make it easier to separate the two layers or would that just make it worse?  Because I figure if I had a layer of SOMETHING between the clays, I shouldn't have too much of a problem removing it, right?  Lips sealed
THIS ROCKS   Logged

the DeviantArt account:
http://hanaclayworks.deviantart.com

the Etsy - UP AND RUNNING! Cheesy Cheesy
http://ikebanana.etsy.com
SupernovaDesigns
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2007 01:14:14 AM »

corn starch would probably be fine, honestly. foil is likely to get little creases and stuff in it that's going to leave all kinds of wonkly impressions in your clay.
THIS ROCKS   Logged

Visit my Etsy shop
SupernovaDesigns.etsy.com
ShinyThings
Offline Offline

Posts: 165
Joined: 17-May-2007

hurray for clay!


View Profile WWW
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2007 09:29:16 AM »

Ah, thank you! Smiley

I've always wondered, will the cornstarch get stuck in my clay?  I've used this technique before but was afraid of putting in too much cornstarch or not brushing it off well enough before baking.  Or, can I brush it off afterwards?
THIS ROCKS   Logged

the DeviantArt account:
http://hanaclayworks.deviantart.com

the Etsy - UP AND RUNNING! Cheesy Cheesy
http://ikebanana.etsy.com
Diane B.
Offline Offline

Posts: 5073
Joined: 01-May-2004

GlassAttic --polymer clay "encyclopedia"


View Profile WWW
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2007 12:56:09 PM »

You might want to check out this page at my site for lessons and examples of miniature polymer clay dishes, bowls, bakeware and maybe flatware (as well as foods and other miniature items).
http://www.glassattic.com/polymer/miniatures.htm
(... click on Dishware, Bakeware, etc., under Foods...)

Quote
I actually saw that tutorial for the bowl a while ago on dA, but I don't have any marbles large enough.  Ever since, I've been trying to find things around here that may act as a replacement for the marble

You can use the round-curved surface of almost any suitably-sized object or material for making mini bowls (though if you actually want to bake the clay with the surface, you'd need something that could take our baking temps).  
Spheres of all kinds would work as forms depending on the size and degree of curvature you want for your bowls (e.g., marbles, glass lightbulbs or ornaments, beads, etc), as well as hemispheres and domes (e.g., paint tray wells, measuring spoons, cabochon molds, round caps/lids, etc), or you can make you own (baked) forms to use.
There are also other ways of creating bowls as well as other dishware and cookware though. 
(a lot more about all those things on the page linked to above.)

Quote
I have a large shipment of sculpey III coming so maybe I shouldn't make the molds out of clay after all?  I was wondering, though... if I place a thin layer of foil in-between the clay and the plate mold, wouldn't that make it easier to separate the two layers or would that just make it worse?  Because I figure if I had a layer of SOMETHING between the clays, I shouldn't have too much of a problem removing it, right?

Not sure what getting lots of clay has to do with not making molds from clay, but clay is certainly one good option for making your own molds.

As for releases, there are a number of things you can use (cornstarch, water, ArmorAll, physical barriers, and many more), plus simply cooling the clay in any mold will make it release more easily.
If you want to read all about making molds for polymer clay, with clay or with other materials, and also about releases that are good to use and when, check out all the info on this page:
http://www.glassattic.com/polymer/molds.htm

And p.s., cornstarch will rinse off of clay if it's not actually incorporated into it.  Talc isn't so good to use because it's not water soluble and can't be removed as easily or thoroughly.


HTH, and have fun!

Diane B.
« Last Edit: May 20, 2007 01:03:05 PM by Diane B. » THIS ROCKS   Logged

POLYMER CLAY "ENCYCLOPEDIA" 
http://glassattic.com/polymer/contents.htm
few of my photos
http://s96.photobucket.com/albums/l163/DianeBB
(had to move them from YahooPhotos, so many now without captions)
ShinyThings
Offline Offline

Posts: 165
Joined: 17-May-2007

hurray for clay!


View Profile WWW
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2007 01:10:16 PM »

Thanks Diane!

Well, in regards to the clay and making molds, it's not that I didn't want to make molds because of the amount of clay (lord knows I should make molds with that much coming to me), but rather SupernovaDesigns had commented on how Sculpey wasn't particularly good for using with molds because it was stickier?  Either way, I think I'll see how things turn out for myself.

Thank you for the link, btw! Smiley
THIS ROCKS   Logged

the DeviantArt account:
http://hanaclayworks.deviantart.com

the Etsy - UP AND RUNNING! Cheesy Cheesy
http://ikebanana.etsy.com
Diane B.
Offline Offline

Posts: 5073
Joined: 01-May-2004

GlassAttic --polymer clay "encyclopedia"


View Profile WWW
« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2007 01:34:50 PM »

Quote
Sculpey wasn't particularly good for using with molds because it was stickier?


Guess I missed that response so not sure what was being discussed, but actually I've primarily used Sculpey (actually tinted SuperSculpey) for most of the hundreds of polymer clay molds I've made.   Sculpey is more brittle than other brands, but as long as I'm careful when pressing new clay into the baked molds, and often supporting the back of the mold by putting it down on a worksurface or in my hand, I haven't had one break yet.

She may have meant that Sculpey is harder to get out of molds (of any kind) though since it's a softer clay.  That's true, but not a problem if they clay isn't fairly warm from handling when it's molded, and/or no release was used, and/or it's not cooled before removing, and/or it's just not removed with the right "English."  The only real concern I'd have with using Sculpey in molds is that if the resulting items are thin, they could break more easily later than if I'd used a stronger brand, or perhaps if I were trying to make a highly-detailed cast from a mold with lots of shallow texture.


Diane B.
« Last Edit: May 20, 2007 01:38:31 PM by Diane B. » THIS ROCKS   Logged

POLYMER CLAY "ENCYCLOPEDIA" 
http://glassattic.com/polymer/contents.htm
few of my photos
http://s96.photobucket.com/albums/l163/DianeBB
(had to move them from YahooPhotos, so many now without captions)
hello color!
« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2007 07:55:53 PM »

Yeah... She meant Sculpey is not good to use IN molds, not FOR molds. That is, you use Sculpey to make the mold and bake it. Then you use something else to make the final item.

The thing with Sculpey is that it's soft... But if you put it in the fridge for 10 mins (more if you want to, or if it was really warm to start with) in order to cool it down, it won't be so soft and sticky any more, so it should be ok to release. Since you have so much Sculpey, why not give it a try? Worst case scenario is, it won't come out well, so you'll have to clean the stuff that gets stuck with a qtip.

For the forks, if you have an Exacto knife, you can use that to cut out the teeth and a needle to remove the cutouts. Good luck!
THIS ROCKS   Logged
ShinyThings
Offline Offline

Posts: 165
Joined: 17-May-2007

hurray for clay!


View Profile WWW
« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2007 09:15:27 PM »

Oh, the joys of refrigeration!

I was thinking that since I have a butt-load of sculpey to play with anyway that I would try to carve out a fork/spoon figure and make a press mold out of it.  Who knows?  Worst case scenario, it doesn't work and I start over from scratch. Tongue
THIS ROCKS   Logged

the DeviantArt account:
http://hanaclayworks.deviantart.com

the Etsy - UP AND RUNNING! Cheesy Cheesy
http://ikebanana.etsy.com
Threads you might like:
Pages: [1] Jump to page:
  Send this topic  |  Print  |  Bookmark  
 
Jump to:  



FacebookTwitterPinterest
only results with images
include swap threads
advanced search



your ad could be here!

How-To Videos
Girls Night In: DIY Avocado and Banana Face Mask
Selfie-Ready Beauty Products
Must-Have Spring Beauty Launches
BEAUTY BUZZ: Tadashi Shoji - Fall 2015 - NYFW
Use Powder, Plus 9 Other Lash-Changing Mascara Hacks
Latest Blog Articles
@Home This Weekend: Fabric Boxes
Tute Tuesday: A Pod of Narwhals
Hey, it's summer. Go outside!

Comparison Shopping




Support Craftster
Become a
Friend of Craftster

Buy Craftster Swag
Buy Craft Supplies
Comparison Shopping

Craftster heartily thanks the following peeps...
Moderators

Follow Craftster...






Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.11 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines LLC
SimplePortal 2.3.5 © 2008-2012, SimplePortal
Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!

Copyright ©2003-2015, Craftster.org an Internet Brands company.