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« on: June 23, 2006 01:14:11 PM »

I have been trying all week to cast on a pair of toe up socks.  Needless to say, I've been VERY unsuccessful.

Let me see if I remember the chronology.  Tried the yarn over short row method...it was a mess, I couldn't figure out the yarn overs when purling.
Tried the wrap short row method (they all make it sound so easy!)...FAILED.  Resorted to the turkish cast on method...ended up with huge holes.  Am I the only person who can't do this?Huh he he he  My last series of failed attempts was the figure 8 cast-on.

I'm pretty determined to master toe up socks...but ANY tips/advice would be greatly appreciated!!!!!

Thanks for reading!

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« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2006 02:19:19 PM »

This Knitty article gives a couple of variations of toes for a toe-up sock. You've already tried the short row and figure 8 toes, so those parts of the articles probably won't help you, but there is also the Easy Toe, which, as its name suggests, is easier than the other two. Basically, you just knit a rectangle and then, knitting circularly and using stitches from both sides of the rectangle, gradually increase the number of stitches to the total number you need for the sock.

Short rows can take a bit of getting used to. I just made my third pair of socks using the short row method (both heels and toes, using wraps) and this is the first pair that actually came out decently. (My last try was an overambitious self-designed fair isle sock. The colorwork part came out GREAT - but I very badly messed up around the heel and thus the socks are unwearable, unless my feet suddenly get smaller.)

My advice is just to keep trying. Take some random, leftover skein from a past project and practice the various methods until you're comfortable with at least one of them. Also do extensive searching online to find picture tutorials of the various methods. (This, for instance, looks like a good yarn-over short row tutorial.) Toe up socks aren't any more difficult than cuff down socks, and socks in general aren't any more difficult than whatever stitch pattern you use.  Just stay calm about it all. Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2006 04:58:56 PM »

Thanks for your reply!  My first attempt was using the tutorial that you linked to.  I failed miserably.

My whole reason for wanting to try toe up socks is that I have two beautiful skeins of cashmere yarn that are destined to be a beautiful pair of socks.  I want to knit them toe up so that I can use every inch of the cashmere.

I will take your advice and keep trying.  I have just decided (thanks to your suggestion) to save my lovely cashmere until I have mastered the toe up method.

If anyone else has suggestions/tips/advice, I'd still love to hear from you!

Thanks Fozziebear!

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« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2006 05:07:04 PM »

Toe-ups are what I like, as all my attempts at cuff-down turn out wonky.

I use the Cybersocks tutorial.  It's a whole series of lessons, with the main page found here:
http://www.socknitters.com/toe-up/

Good luck with it, and I must say...Cashmere socks?  I'm jealous...
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« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2006 05:51:31 PM »

For the first pair of socks I knit using the toe-up method I used the directions found here.  I originally tried with sock yarn and (what seemed at the time) teeny needles but got frustrated quickly.  I decided to try with chunky yarn and size US10/6mm needles.  I found it much easier to see what I was doing with the wraps etc. and it was a relatively quick knit.  I found it much easier to see what i was doing then when I worked my way to smaller needles and yarn. 
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« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2006 11:57:54 AM »

This Knitty article gives a couple of variations of toes for a toe-up sock.

for those of you who like that article and use the figure 8 method...what method do you use to M1 (make 1) at the beginning or end of each needle, as called for in the pattern?
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« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2006 11:06:24 AM »

seriously none of you fantastically intelligent craftst-y sock knitter folks know?  i find that hard to believe. ;]

hopefully someone can answer in this thread so that i don't have to clutter up the craftster board with duplicate threads.

thanks!  Grin
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« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2006 11:25:57 AM »

I don't like the figure 8 toe much (the first couple of rows are too weird for me to knit), but I've tried doing it a couple of times. When you get to the part of the toe where you increase one stitch from the end of a needle (Needle 1: Knit until the last stitch, M1, K1. Needle 2: Knit 1, M1, knit to the end. Needle 3: Knit until the last stitch, M1, K1. Needle 4: Knit 1, M1, knit to the end), I increase by lifting up the bar in betwetween stitches and knitting into that. For the first set of increases, I just knit into the side of a stitch that wasn't on the needle... which probably isn't the best way to go about it, but it works.
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« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2006 11:31:46 AM »

I've never done a figure-eight toe, but for my toe-up increases I use yarn-overs...just knit in the back of each one to twist them shut when you reach them on the next round.
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« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2006 11:43:15 AM »

thanks for the responses.  i'll give it a go and see what happens.  the biggest part i'm confused about is this:

Begin knitting circularly.  Round 1: Make 1 stitch at the beginning of the round, knit 4.

i'm not sure i get how i m1 at the beginning of a round that isn't in the round yet, but i should probably just try it and see.  It would make much more sense if I was suppsed to knit a stitch first.

i've got oodles of fantastic sock yarn (lorna's, vesper, sunshine) and *still* haven't knit socks yet!  part of the problem is i have tiny feet (size 6-6.5M) and i hate baggy droopy socks.  most of the patterns out there seem written for size 8 or larger.  (although I hear the jaywalkers are a little more snug than most)  the couple attempts i made at top down got ripped out before they were finished for being too droopy, plus i like the diagonal heel rather than that heel-flap-thingy.

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