I figured it out, I did end up taking the other needle out, not sure if I really needed to or not.
Anyway, so it comes up if anyone else searches like I did
It looked like the needle was threaded back to front, but it was front to back
And like a regular machine, not having the presser foot down when trying to make the chain thingie made it mess up. So make sure the presser foot is down before starting.
I changed the needle too, not sure if that was necessary.