It may be we're using different terms to describe the same thing, or not....
I just get riled when `how to cast on' instructions blithely assure a new knitter that `the longtail always makes the first row, so you start your pattern on the next row'. That just isn't true, and causes a lot of confusion in beginners. A cast on is a cast on, and not a `cast on plus one row'. Everyone should try different methods and see what each type of cast on produces, then decide for themselves whether they should do another row, start in with the pattern, or do it another way. Knitting is very individual and nothing should be so specific that people feel they're doing something wrong.
sue
I just get riled when `how to cast on' instructions blithely assure a new knitter that `the longtail always makes the first row, so you start your pattern on the next row'. That just isn't true, and causes a lot of confusion in beginners. A cast on is a cast on, and not a `cast on plus one row'. Everyone should try different methods and see what each type of cast on produces, then decide for themselves whether they should do another row, start in with the pattern, or do it another way. Knitting is very individual and nothing should be so specific that people feel they're doing something wrong.
sue
I can see how that would irritate you. It is really much better to explain that the long-tail cast-on has a knit side and a purl side, and let the knitter decide what to do from there. I suppose the "plus one row" is merely more advanced knitters' shorthand for the effect.
Structurally, however, I must say that at least my long tail cast-on *is* a backwards loop cast-on that has been turned and purled tbl to the end. It's neater and tighter, but the path of the loops is identical. It's like the difference between a ssk and a sl1, k1, psso. Made differently but the end result has the yarn in the same relationship.
In aid of this, I've got a picture of myself forming a stitch in long tail cast on, and also myself forming a backwards loop. Monste Stanley has it labeled the twisted loop method and advocates working through the front of the stitch to give the twist in the foundation row. I prefer working it through the back of the stitch, however, which should clarify why they turn up the same edge if I purl back the first row. The long-tail is still a firmer edge and tends to be neater, of course. The gauge difference between the loops does affect how the edge behaves.







































